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I'd Forgotten What It Was Like to Have Intelligent, Articulate Leaders

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Augusto86, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    Lack of teeth can be an asset for such a practiced orator as Ilona.

    I quite consciously phrased my comment in terms of her appeal as an orator as opposed to her skills.
    But different strokes . . .
     
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    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    According to google, she's now 56. I suspect she may be a far less appealing orator than she used to be (unless you're Conne).
    Lack of teeth can be an asset for such a practiced orator as Ilona.
    "Yarr, that'll replace the whale in my nightmares..."
     
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    No, he's disputing your claim that Kerry is "quite a bit smarter" than Bush because Kerry is a better speaker.

    Um, no. Not only because he is a better speaker, but because what he was speaking about and how he responded made much more sense than any of the garbled noise which came out of Bush's mouth.

    Jon.
     
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    I didn't vote for either when given the chance, and I believe I was correct.

    I did mention before that it was utterly sad and pathetic that we couldn’t do better than either of them, and your decision was ultimately the most venerable one when faced with that monumental embarrassment of a choice.

    Jon.
     
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    I think it was George Bernard Shaw who said:
    Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.
     
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    It pretty much always has been. As a rule, the Good Old Days were usually worse.


    I'd agree that the Good Old Days were usually worse... but politically the early 20th Century seemed to have a much wider range of competing ideologies, all promising a better world - from communist utopias to the freedom of the capitalist markets.

    Voting for a particular party would help to make that dream a reality and lead to a better world.

    Now it seems politicians never talk about making a better world, just maintaining a less bad one and how voting for them will protect us from some unseen and statistically unlikely attack looming just around the corner.

    (Disclaimer: I wasn't there, you might be right... but from watching old speeches and what I know about early 20th Century politics my argument seems to hold)
     
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    Where are the Cato’s, and the Cicero’s, and the Pericles?
    Cato: committed suicide when Julius Caesar kicked his ass. Cicero: beheaded when the Second Triumvirate put him on the ultimate shit list. Pericles: died of the plague after, what, three? of his sons died. The moral, as always: the fascists always win. When they don't, God finishes the job himself.
     
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    Cato: committed suicide when Julius Caesar kicked his ass.
    Cicero: beheaded when the Second Triumvirate put him on the ultimate shit list.
    Pericles: died of the plague after, what, three? of his sons died.

    The moral, as always: the fascists always win. When they don't, God finishes the job himself.


    Jeez, thank God I didn't mention JFK, Thomas More, etc...

    Jon.
     
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    I don't see what all the fuss is about here. Augusto is right, love him, hate him, or really don't care, Clinton is a great public speaker, very articulate, and seems reasonably intelligent. While I think Bush is no idiot, he's anything but articulate, or at least on camera, and for the POTUS in 2007, that's what really matters.

    Now Augusto, your title that you have forgotten what it was like...how old are you? How long ago did Clinton leave office? You sure you were paying attention at 15? [​IMG]
     
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    I don't see what all the fuss is about here. Augusto is right, love him, hate him, or really don't care, Clinton is a great public speaker, very articulate, and seems reasonably intelligent. While I think Bush is no idiot, he's anything but articulate, or at least on camera, and for the POTUS in 2007, that's what really matters.

    Now Augusto, your title that you have forgotten what it was like...how old are you? How long ago did Clinton leave office? You sure you were paying attention at 15? [​IMG]


    LOL

    I think I was pretty politically aware for 15. Aware enough to be pissed about the 2000 election.
     
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    Piobaire Senior member

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    LOL

    I think I was pretty politically aware for 15. Aware enough to be pissed about the 2000 election.


    Good for you! I did not pay any attention until I started paying taxes. Suddenly, I was "politically aware"!
     
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    Good for you! I did not pay any attention until I started paying taxes. Suddenly, I was "politically aware"!

    I was actually getting a paycheck freshman year in high school, and let me tell you...the first time I saw that "deductions" line I nearly flipped my shit.

    Death and taxes...
     
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    (Disclaimer: I wasn't there, you might be right... but from watching old speeches and what I know about early 20th Century politics my argument seems to hold)


    Just for the record -- I may well be older than you, but I wasn't there either. [​IMG]
     
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    He's probably reading the teleprompter

    Now he stumbles and stutters even when he has something to read...the guy is an idiot...my grandfather checked out his transcript from college and saying he didn't do well at all is an understatement yet somehow it came out that he was a scholar
     
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    Now he stumbles and stutters even when he has something to read...the guy is an idiot...my grandfather checked out his transcript from college and saying he didn't do well at all is an understatement yet somehow it came out that he was a scholar

    Can you point me to a source that maintained Bush was "a scholar"? I mean, even he has made fun of his undergrad GPA.
     
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    I'd agree that the Good Old Days were usually worse... but politically the early 20th Century seemed to have a much wider range of competing ideologies, all promising a better world - from communist utopias to the freedom of the capitalist markets.

    Voting for a particular party would help to make that dream a reality and lead to a better world.

    Now it seems politicians never talk about making a better world, just maintaining a less bad one and how voting for them will protect us from some unseen and statistically unlikely attack looming just around the corner.

    (Disclaimer: I wasn't there, you might be right... but from watching old speeches and what I know about early 20th Century politics my argument seems to hold)


    We went from the modern age and its absolute foundations to the postmodern times and the reign of fragmented images and lack of certitudes.
     

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