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Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Stazy, Oct 22, 2006.

  1. ryoneo

    ryoneo Senior member

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    Feel bad for Hossa!? He turned down a great offer from a great, promising team. I won't say that Detroit wasn't and isn't a better team - but the Penguins were justifiably a legitimate contender!

    Cordovan


    Truth. There is no way in hell that both Malkin and Crosby are not going to win a cup in their lifetime.
     
  2. gomestar

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    Pens should cherish the moment. They are going to have some cap troubles coming up as Malkin's contract will be in full swing next year. Word is the cap will be going down eventually, I'm very interesting in seeing how this will effect the teams.

    for the Pens, they're cutting it tough with a few players eating up a huge portion of available space:

    Crosby: $8.7M
    Malkin: $8.7M
    Kunitz: $3.8M
    Staal: $3.8M
    Gonchar: $5M
    Orpik: $3.8M
    Fleury: $5M

    just those 7 players = $38,000,000 a year, or almost 69% of last year's salary space. Next year, they will have 5 UFA's on offence, 3 on D, and 1 goalie. Thats a lot to fill with the pennies they will have left.
     
  3. ryoneo

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    FLYERS just got Pronger!!!!
     
  4. AR_Six

    AR_Six Senior member

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    ^But they gave away their fucking future. THREE first round draft picks counting Luca Sbisa, and a conditional 3rd, plus Lupul. That is horrendous, they're looking at another trip to the NHL basement in a few years and in the meantime their cap hit is over 70 million dollars. Good luck getting that to 56 by opening day, guys. Good luck.

    First round top 3 went as predicted by many, and no pick movement in the top 10 despite Burke's efforts. I think Burkey got a little irritated when he couldn't move up and get B-Schenn, Kazri at 7th overall, I'm not sold on. Good player, but... well, we'll see.

    The three biggest steals of the draft were:
    -Dmitri Kulikov, D, (ranked 7th by TSN) going to Florida with pick 14
    -Jordan Schroeder, C, ranked 5th in north america by central scouting and in the top 15 by EVERY assessment, going 22nd overall to Vancouver.
    -John Moore, D, ranked 6th by central scouting and also in the top 15 by everyone, going at #21 to Columbus.
     
  5. ryoneo

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    Yea it was a risky move. I liked Lupul a lot. And Sbisa is sooo young, so I don't know his upside. But a d-man was needed. I know that some players will not be resigned , so that will free some space up.
     
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    Pronger was an animal. I haven't really followed him in the past couple of years.
     
  7. AR_Six

    AR_Six Senior member

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    He's still a top 10 d-man in the NHL, solid top pairing guy on any team. He's slowing down a bit though, Philly must be crossing their fingers that they don't get another Derian Hatcher.
     
  8. ryoneo

    ryoneo Senior member

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    He's still a top 10 d-man in the NHL, solid top pairing guy on any team. He's slowing down a bit though, Philly must be crossing their fingers that they don't get another Derian Hatcher.
    [​IMG]
     
  9. Casual

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    Philly must be crossing their fingers that they don't get another Mike Rathje.
    Fixed.
    I'm sorry to see Sbisa go, but it can be argued Pronger is worth him and the two late first round picks. They had to dump Lupul before his contract kicked in. Are they mortgaging their future to win now? Possibly, but they've got some decent prospects coming up (e.g., Bourdon).
    Right now they are at
    Total Cap hit: $52,551,250
    Cap Limit: $56,800,000
    Cap room: $4,248,750
    but still need to sign a winger, back up goalie, and a fourth line center.
    So, who wants Randy Jones?
     
  10. AR_Six

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    ^Giving away picks is just asking to get old and have no succession strategy in place. This may have been a deep draft, but two late first round picks would've got you Landon Ferraro and Simon Despres, or Stefan Elliot. Even guys like Tatar (4th round) Rajala (6th round) and Anthony (7th round) could very well make an NHL club with proper development. You don't just give away draft picks in this NHL. Having succession in place is the only way to stay out of the tank, and building through the draft is the only way to contend. Of course, tanking for 3-4 years, getting good draft spots, picking up multiple top flite prospects and then winning once they mature is another alternative. GO PENGUINS!

    I didn't realize they'd dumped 4+million getting rid of Lupul like that. The ducks should be happy to have him back though, and they desperately need Sbisa. By next year Anaheim will have precisely 0 of their big 3 D-men left from the cup run. But if Philly wants to do anything they still need a goalie (Emery = laughs) and they need their forwards healthy, including Simon "Balsa Wood" Gagne.

    As for offloading salary, amazingly enough they were shopping Jeff Carter around last year. Don't think that's gonna happen again. Don't know who the odd man out is.
     
  11. Casual

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    Well, you've got to give up something to get something as they say. Get back to me as soon as any of those kids win the Hart and Norris in the same year.
     
  12. ryoneo

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    Fixed. I'm sorry to see Sbisa go, but it can be argued Pronger is worth him and the two late first round picks. They had to dump Lupul before his contract kicked in. Are they mortgaging their future to win now? Possibly, but they've got some decent prospects coming up (e.g., Bourdon). Right now they are at Total Cap hit: $52,551,250 Cap Limit: $56,800,000 Cap room: $4,248,750 but still need to sign a winger, back up goalie, and a fourth line center. So, who wants Randy Jones?
    I really think that they should be fine with the goalies for now. They are going to have Emery and Biron battle it out for the goalie spot. They are not going to resign Knuble, so I'm not sure if they are going to get someone else to replace him. I also heard rumors (but they are just rumors) that Montreal wants to trade for Briere. If that does happen, then things are going to get interesting. I think that Philly should be fine down the middle.
     
  13. Casual

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    I really think that they should be fine with the goalies for now. They are going to have Emery and Biron battle it out for the goalie spot. They are not going to resign Knuble, so I'm not sure if they are going to get someone else to replace him. I also heard rumors (but they are just rumors) that Montreal wants to trade for Briere. If that does happen, then things are going to get interesting. I think that Philly should be fine down the middle.

    Biron is gone. They could not afford him even if they wanted to keep him. I've heard they are trying hard to re-sign Knuble. It's not easy to get 29 goals for that kind of money. Briere turned down a larger offer from the Habs to play in Philadelphia, but who knows?
     
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    Get back to me as soon as any of those kids win the Hart and Norris in the same year.
    And YOU get back to ME if Pronger does so while playing for Philly. This isn't 1997, he's not the same player and if he retires in philadelphia he still won't have many years to give them. Remember what you're getting for what you're giving up, as well... if the trade was for Ovechkin, I wouldn't be as skeptical. I imagine they'll try to re-sign knuble for this year, not sure he can put up another 25 goal season but he can be had for good value. Biron is gone for sure, and Emery is not who you want to see in your net come playoff time. I dunno, my problem isn't SO much giving up a lot of younger guys to get an older, but still team-altering player to make a cup run, it's Philadelphia doing it. With or without Pronger, they aren't a real contender because they have no #1 goalie, Mike Richards or no Mike Richards.
     
  15. Casual

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    And YOU get back to ME if Pronger does so while playing for Philly. This isn't 1997, he's not the same player and if he retires in philadelphia he still won't have many years to give them. Remember what you're getting for what you're giving up, as well... if the trade was for Ovechkin, I wouldn't be as skeptical.
    YOU missed MY point. Pronger is a known quantity. It's true he's not what he used to be, but then again it's something like one in six kids picked in the second round even have an NHL career. Do you think anyone would trade a player like Ovechkin for a streaky salary dump and a decent young defenseman? The picks are a necessary evil.
     
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    I dunno, my problem isn't SO much giving up a lot of younger guys to get an older, but still team-altering player to make a cup run, it's Philadelphia doing it. With or without Pronger, they aren't a real contender because they have no #1 goalie, Mike Richards or no Mike Richards.

    Are you still sore over my Luongo won't stay in Vancouver since they're not a contender comment? [​IMG]
     
  17. AR_Six

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    Wait until wednesday and see if he re-signs. To be honest, if we're a contender it'll be because of draft picks. Even if Bobby left, we'd still have the #1 goaltending prospect in the league with the possible exception of Pogge and four well thought of forwards in Grabner, Hodgson, Schroeder and Rodin, with guys like White, Shirokov and Sauve potentially making the team around the same time. This of course doesn't include the later picks who always have an outside shot of making it, nor Luc Bourdon, our best D prospect lost to a motorcycle accident, nor the young talent that's already shown themselves capable of playing in the league in Edler, Hansen, Rypien, Raymond and Kesler, all under 25 years old. Pretty decent drafting. All of that, without a year in the basement. Since Burke left scouting and development has been an organization strength. Having CoHo and Schroeder fall into Gillis' lap doesn't hurt, either. Future's not looking bad for the Canucks.
     
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    Any thoughts on this lovely July 1st?

    Hossa to Chicago - $5.1/yr. is lower than I thought he's ask for, but 12 years?? Damn, the dude is already 30.

    Caps got a great deal with Knuble, $2.8 per for 2.

    Rags dump Gomez (whew!) and pick up a solid young player but most importantly free up some big time cap space. What were Habs thinking???
     
  19. AR_Six

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    The 12 year deal is really, really stupid. He can score 40 goals next year, and it still won't be a good deal. Terrible. The Habs trade was equally stupid, and if the Oilers make their deal for Heatley, they're stuck with a bad contract as well and give up two good young players for it and a decent tradeable asset. This is just a whole bunch of stupidity. Thank God Mike Gillis had the good sense to turn down the 12 year deal from the Sedins with a cap hit of about 5 million each in favour of a 5 year deal for 6 million per... that's great term and solid value. The problem is the Canucks need to fill out their roster now and don't have much money to do it with.
     
  20. gomestar

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    Heatley screwed the Sens' organization big time by denying the trade.

    The deal for the Sedins is quite good, though it does make it tough on the cap.

    As bad as the 12 year deal is, I don't think it's as dumb as Campell's contract or Briere's contract.
     

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