thx heres another one: is the rocker sort of a thin finn cut? with very tapered legs or more of a NS cut, with a straight leg but tapered opening? and I suppose the 1980 is a slim jim sorta cut? I tried on the rocker, but it was more for shits and giggles than anything else, as they're not really my style. I've never tried thin finn. I did try the standard and new standard very briefly, but don't remember which was which...one of the two I couldn't even button in the size I had. Rockers were pretty tight all the way down as I recall, though I did try a 29 and I'm usually more of a size 30 to 31.