Email BiG and SelfEdge and ask what they're stocking at the moment. 3Sixteen and that new EP brand have them for under 200. Both are lighter weight. http://www.epauletshop.com/servlet/t...ght-Leg/Detail http://www.selfedge.com/shop/index.p...roducts_id=482 Jean Shop has a nice lightweight black jean too. Nice stuff. See Rocker 'X' cut with button fly. http://www.worldjeanshop.com/ Thanks; lots of good options (though makes it harder to decide ) Could also make an appointment with Blue Owl if you want to see KMW/PBJ/SC/other offerings. I really like KMWs Yeah, I probably will do that -- last time I visited he didn't have a whole lot of denim, but it sounds like he's really stocked up recently. The Mr. Olive jeans I tried fit me really well, but there wasn't much in my size at that time.