Yea, I keep checking measurements on your Grifters because I want them. The only thing though is the waist will be 2-3.5" too big as of now and even more with stretch. I'd probably fit the rest but only the waist, I could fix that with a belt. Also I'm changing my training from work capacity to strength so I'm looking at gaining 20lbs over the summer which would help with that problem, something I should think about it. Ugh jean shopping is a pain! Looking at the andewhall - size chart for the grifters I should probably add .5" or something considering stretch? What are the stretch like in andewhalls? Also, am I half blind or does your grifters not have any pocket details? The stretch exists, but is not huge, and it is not fast. A hot soak should get the waist back down to 34"-ish, and I don't feel like they're eager to stretch if you're not putting pressure on them. Mine do have pocket details, they're black-on-black. Out of respect for the thread, I'll leave my sales pitch at that. If I could conjure up black denim for myself now, it'd probably be Slackers in a 35 waist. But he isn't making that right now, unfortunately.