I've decided that for the summer I want to go the cheap route and get some Levis raws. I want them to fit like my APC NC, but I don't know if I want to go STF or Sanforized. I also would like something slubby because out of all the jeans I own, none are very slubby. I intend to totally destroy them over the next months so, I wat to spend less than probably $80. No LVC's for me this time. I Live near San Francisco, so I can go to their huge store on Union Square, so tell me if they have something really special there because I've never been inside in the 17 years I've lived here. Beggars ($80) can't be choosers. Levi's makes nothing like APC, the closest fits would be in between a 510 and 511. If 511's are considered a skinny jean, 510s are a tight jean- 511s have a lower rise than both and are also a bit roomier. 510s are basically skintight TTS all the way through- though they do end up stretching a bunch. New Cures aren't nearly as tight in the thighs/calves as the 510s, close though but they do flare out a little bit at the bottom whereas the 510s can be described as peglegged.