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I have a jean...(The Ultimate Jean Thread For Beginners) - ask questions here.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by whodini, Jan 28, 2008.

  1. Ctrl+W

    Ctrl+W Well-Known Member

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    Sir, I think you are correct. Now its back to the search button to figure out how to size N&F jeans. Also where to buy them.
    you can try them on at your local barney's co-op to get an idea on sizing. i personally did not like the fit because it gave me massive hip flares, so unless you have a big ass like our friend, nicholas jonas, you might be in for a disappointment!
     
  2. Aggie13

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    you can try them on at your local barney's co-op to get an idea on sizing. i personally did not like the fit because it gave me massive hip flares, so unless you have a big ass like our friend, nicholas jonas, you might be in for a disappointment!

    Thanks, Thanks alot man. Youve been awesome help. Im planning on going to the Houston Gallaria this weekend so I will look around there.
     
  3. whodini

    whodini Senior member

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    Yeah.. That would sure as heck make sense to me, and that's the first thing I thought (and hoped for) but the tag (almost a little booklet) that came on them talks about the usual buying them big, taking a bath in them, etc., so I'm not about to jump to any conclusions and just throw 'em in the wash! The tag mentions "rigid jeans" and "shrink to fit" but doesn't really say anything about this exact style.. For all I know, it may just be a generic tag, covering all bases.
    Unless I'm totally off base, I can't think of any company that distresses no-wash/STF jeans without washing them first. Sounds like the tags were left on mistakenly. The easiest way to figure this all out is to measure the waist of the jeans. If they measure out to the tagged waist then they've been washed.
     
  4. Checkerboard 13

    Checkerboard 13 Well-Known Member

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    Unless I'm totally off base, I can't think of any company that distresses no-wash/STF jeans without washing them first. Sounds like the tags were left on mistakenly.

    The easiest way to figure this all out is to measure the waist of the jeans. If they measure out to the tagged waist then they've been washed.


    These measure about 2" more than the label size at the waist. (The inseam is about an inch less than what's on the tag.)

    Any idea that that would tell me?

    I've read that the 2009 1955s were oversized. These seem to be, at least in the waist, but definitely not in length.

    Again, thanks!
     
  5. Ge Fuzz

    Ge Fuzz Senior member

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    These measure about 2" more than the label size at the waist. (The inseam is about an inch less than what's on the tag.)

    Any idea that that would tell me?

    I've read that the 2009 1955s were oversized. These seem to be, at least in the waist, but definitely not in length.

    Again, thanks!


    Sounds like they were at least hot soaked. Did you wear them before measuring the waist? Maybe they stretched out again. Are they long enough now? You could I suppose, just soak the waist and see if it shrinks, if not then the legs wont shrink either. They may shrink a little if they only were first washed.

    Maybe apples/oranges but my 501 STF measure 1" shorter then tagged saize.
     
  6. Checkerboard 13

    Checkerboard 13 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like they were at least hot soaked. Did you wear them before measuring the waist? Maybe they stretched out again. Are they long enough now? You could I suppose, just soak the waist and see if it shrinks, if not then the legs wont shrink either. They may shrink a little if they only were first washed. Maybe apples/oranges but my 501 STF measure 1" shorter then tagged saize.
    I put them on for a few minutes to see how they felt and fit, but didn't really wear them. The waist was comfortably loose (but not baggy) when I tried them on, so I doubt they stretched... The length is just about perfect now. I don't think I could afford to lose more than about 1/2". Soaking the waist only is an interesting idea. As crazy as that sounded to me at first, I might just try it. I've posted also in the LVC thread, but I'd really appreciate any insight from anyone.
     
  7. whodini

    whodini Senior member

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    I'm still saying the shrinkage has been done. I can find out from LVC but it doesn't make sense to me that a distressed jean wouldn't be pre-washed.

    The idea of making a distressed jean is so that it looks worn. And washed.
     
  8. Checkerboard 13

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    I'm still saying the shrinkage has been done. I can find out from LVC but it doesn't make sense to me that a distressed jean wouldn't be pre-washed.

    The idea of making a distressed jean is so that it looks worn. And washed.


    That definitely makes sense to me, and I guess the 501XX designation on the back tag could just be there for "authenticity" (everything I've read so far seems to say it means the jeans are STF) but all the stuff about shrinkage in the little booklet-like tag hung on the jeans throws me.

    I also haven't found anything written about them being preshrunk in all the posts I've read here, superfuture, and elsewhere.
    Of course the only way to find out for sure would be to wash 'em, but if it turns out they are STF... oops!

    It would be great to know for sure about them before putting them in water, if you or anyone else has a way to find out.

    Thanks!
     
  9. aqhong

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    ^ If they're distressed at all, they're not STF. STF denim is dark, uniform blue, very stiff, and has a sheen that goes away upon washing.
     
  10. Checkerboard 13

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    ^ If they're distressed at all, they're not STF. STF denim is dark, uniform blue, very stiff, and has a sheen that goes away upon washing.
    So, if I'm clear on what you're saying, distressed jeans are always pre-washed? I don't know about a sheen, but aside from the distressed places, these jeans are a dark, dark denim color, are stiff as heck, and have that deep denim smell that I remember new 501s having, back in the day. I'm still thrown by what the hang tag says. [​IMG] Nothing on the jeans says they're rigid jeans... but nothing says they're pre-shrunk, either. Here's a pic of the jeans showing some of the distressing. [​IMG] Do believe that what the tag says means they will shrink, or is it just a generic tag that is safe to ignore? Thanks!
     
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    Those don't look raw to me. By stiff, I mean pressed like cardboard, complete with creases where they were folded. Like this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/...6884bda2_o.jpg

    And I'm pretty sure all LVCs come with that same booklet; it's not specific to your pair. Note that there are separate instructions for "Rigid Jeans" and "In General for All Levi's Jeans."
     
  12. Checkerboard 13

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    Those don't look raw to me. By stiff, I mean pressed like cardboard, complete with creases where they were folded. Like this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/...6884bda2_o.jpg And I'm pretty sure all LVCs come with that same booklet; it's not specific to your pair. Note that there are separate instructions for "Rigid Jeans" and "In General for All Levi's Jeans."
    Sounds like I might be in luck. The blue dye that's transferred to the washing instructions tag and the "two horse" tag on the back, plus the fact that both legs already have a twist to them, give me hope that they're safe to wash. I guess I can just wear 'em, and when they need a wash, take a chance... If nothing else, I'll least get a couple of wears out of them. Thanks for your help!
     
  13. Ge Fuzz

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    yeah those look used to me. Maybe they starched them after washing/fading and thats why they are stiff, but you know even after a hot soak Levis retain some starch/stiffness. Go try on some known STF at Macys and compare the relative stiffness...Still not sure why they measure the way they do, maybe you measured wrong? All other signs point to washed (blue dye on the inside white parts, twisted leg, inseam mesurement, fading)

    You can be 99.9% sure they have been at least washed once.

    Oh yeah I wouldn't just soak the waist, you will lose dye in one area and they may look weird.
     
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    Why do I see so much raw denim with huge holes or tears? What is it about raw denim that gives it a tendency to be so damaged?
     
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    Why do I see so much raw denim with huge holes or tears? What is it about raw denim that gives it a tendency to be so damaged?

    A lot of people wear them everyday for months or up to a year.
     
  16. whodini

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    Nothing on the jeans says they're rigid jeans... but nothing says they're pre-shrunk, either.

    Because they assume that when people look at those jeans they'll known they've been treated.

    They're washed. /debate
     
  17. splattered

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    Why do I see so much raw denim with huge holes or tears? What is it about raw denim that gives it a tendency to be so damaged?

    I've kind of wondered that myself to an extent... Levis usually last me 2-3 years before the crotch/ass start falling apart, and thats with constant wash/wear. I always thought it was more the constant washing that was destroying them because i'm not otherwise that hard on my clothes.

    If people arent washing their jeans as often as i used to due to the fact that they're dry denim its hard for me to imagine how some of those crotch-splosions are taking place :/
     
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    Unless I'm totally off base, I can't think of any company that distresses no-wash/STF jeans without washing them first. Sounds like the tags were left on mistakenly.

    The easiest way to figure this all out is to measure the waist of the jeans. If they measure out to the tagged waist then they've been washed.

    Those don't look raw to me. By stiff, I mean pressed like cardboard, complete with creases where they were folded. Like this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/...6884bda2_o.jpg

    And I'm pretty sure all LVCs come with that same booklet; it's not specific to your pair. Note that there are separate instructions for "Rigid Jeans" and "In General for All Levi's Jeans."

    in photo is a pair of Aussie made Tsubi Stippy Dee Dee which i bought @American Rag Cie [Los Angeles] in '02. i was trying to find old photos where they were all board stiff [starched up], distressed, and seemingly raw. it shrunk 1.5-2" on the waist and 2+" inseam after hot soak x2. i mean, it had all the earmarks of RAW, 'cept for the factory distressing. dunno exactly how they did it, but my guess was, that they were treated with some kind of chemical [stripper/peeler?] to strategic areas and apply abrasion... while in raw condition.

    [​IMG]
    post hot soak x2 > post wash+hotdry [inside-out]
    [​IMG]
     
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  20. whodini

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    @IIIrd That's a one-in-a-million pair. I say that because the process of doing what they did seems really ass-backwards from denimhead and non-denimhead perspectives. A factory can get the look and feel of unwashed sanforized denim a variety of ways (starch, woolite dark, etc.) without having to pass the buck to the uniformed consumer. Weird. Did the tags originally say that there would be shrinkage? It doesn't make much sense to me that a mass-marketed denim company like t/ksubi would try to pull over a pair of STFs on people used to pre-treated or sanforized pairs. I bet there were quite a few pissed off customers after the first wash.
     

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