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I have a jean...(The Ultimate Jean Thread For Beginners) - ask questions here.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by whodini, Jan 28, 2008.

  1. Lel

    Lel Senior member

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    OK, total noob here (and a guy, so noob squared). I am looking for jeans that are distressed, extremely soft, very very dark but not black, and most importantly no fades, no splashy ass patterns, no shiny stones. I have been to generic places like Nordstrom but most jeans there have fades or some metallic sheen or something non-conservative about them. Who makes stuff that is soft, dark and a bit distressed and fits like a high-end jean should? For guys, obviously.

    Go for the one wash from H&M, Uniqlo, or Levis 511/514. Ignore the suggestions of raw expensive denim, they are not comfortable, or soft. Raw denim is extremely stiff, in some cases so stiff that the jeans will be able to stand up by themselves. However, over time the raw denim will break in and the softness and fit will grow beyond any washed jean and they could potentially become some of the most comfortable and well fitting jeans you own.
     
  2. cheps

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    What is the purpose of the secondary soaks prior to the first wash?

    This is my first pair of raw denim. I did the original hot soak for shrinkage but when i look at the "Post Pics of the Jeans" thread, some people soak their jean 1 - 3 times prior to their fist wash.
     
  3. connor

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    What is the purpose of the secondary soaks prior to the first wash?

    This is my first pair of raw denim. I did the original hot soak for shrinkage but when i look at the "Post Pics of the Jeans" thread, some people soak their jean 1 - 3 times prior to their fist wash.


    people do periodical soaks to shrink them back up a little bit or to get rid of some excess indigo. people do soaks for a while instead of washing because it isnt so aggressive
     
  4. IIIrd Icon

    IIIrd Icon Senior member

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    What is the purpose of the secondary soaks prior to the first wash?

    This is my first pair of raw denim. I did the original hot soak for shrinkage but when i look at the "Post Pics of the Jeans" thread, some people soak their jean 1 - 3 times prior to their fist wash.

    depending on manner of use and frequency, jeans get grimy and tend to stretch out a bit too much after awhile without wash. a 2nd or 3rd soak is, for those who feel they haven't laid down enough "base" [eg, whiskers, combs, etc.] to warrant a wash just yet. soaking loosens dirt and somewhat resets the jeans without having to outright wash them. there's still residual starch in the fabric and water reactivates it and makes the denim crisper and snugger when they dry up.

    edit: sorry, dint see connors' post.
     
  5. cicero79

    cicero79 Senior member

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    Anybody know were I could find these in 32/32? Seem to be sold out everywhere.

    KMW Black Rocker

    [​IMG]
     
  6. thought

    thought Well-Known Member

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    I am looking for a basic Raw Denim jean, straight cut. Dark Indigo with a button fly, no pocket designs or blatant branding. Recommend me some brands please, I don't have the stomach to search through this forum. I was thinking about Eternal 811s or whatever they are, but I just realized they are one-wash and I would really prefer raw. I already have a pair of APC's that are pretty beat, if I can't find anything similar that I like I think I will just get another pair of those ([​IMG]) and since I know the SF mindset is against APC, hopefully I will get some good tips! Thanks!
     
  7. Largo

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    I know the SF mindset is against APC,

    What?

    Uh, anyways-price range?
     
  8. connor

    connor Senior member

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    I am looking for a basic Raw Denim jean, straight cut. Dark Indigo with a button fly, no pocket designs or blatant branding. Recommend me some brands please, I don't have the stomach to search through this forum. I was thinking about Eternal 811s or whatever they are, but I just realized they are one-wash and I would really prefer raw. I already have a pair of APC's that are pretty beat, if I can't find anything similar that I like I think I will just get another pair of those ([​IMG]) and since I know the SF mindset is against APC, hopefully I will get some good tips! Thanks!

    imperial, iron heart
     
  9. Gutman

    Gutman Senior member

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    They are Naked and Famous organic indigos. I think I'm going to size down and maybe even lose some weight first. They're size 32 if anyone wants them. They have a very cool color, different from any other indigo jean I've seen.

    Shivers, if these are 32's then you are quite a slim guy and don't have any reason to wear sack-like jeans. Get a nice slim-line jean in your actual size. Unless you've got a big backside you should have plenty of options.

    Re the turn-ups: you have too many folds in them, and they look "rolled" as a result. I think turn-ups work best with either loose (1 small turn, hem showing) or skinny jeans (1 or more larger turns). If you mess with turn-ups on slim-ish jeans you risk the "mom-bought-my-jeans-too-big-because-she-says-i'm-growing-so-fast" look IMO, too MOTR and no longer snappy looking.

    If you want to keep the jeans you've got, then maybe get them shortened and hemmed, at least enough so that you only have to do a small single turn-up, or none at all. Reducing the stacking would help them sit a lot better i think.
     
  10. thought

    thought Well-Known Member

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    What?

    Uh, anyways-price range?


    Price range is 150-250
     
  11. whereismyshoe

    whereismyshoe Senior member

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    What is the fit of Dior 21cm as compared to, say, rag and bone RB15 or APC NS? I might be buying some 21cm in size 31 from someone on this forum, and love the fit of my stretched out 29 NS but the 32 r&b's are a little too full in the thighs / too big at the bottom.

    Anyone?
     
  12. alexwgoody

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    Right now I'm thinking that I want to get some STF Ande Whall Cougars. I want something a little less slim after spending the last 6 months with NC's. But anyway, I am having trouble deciding on getting a 33 or 34 waist. 2 inches below my belly button measures 2 1/4 inches, and 3 inches below measures 32 1/2 inches. I am afraid that getting a 33 will end up being too tight when I soak them, and a 34 will be too loose when they stretch back out, which I don't think will take very long. I'm also wondering if It's cool to get STF's and not soak them, and once I need my wash, I could just get in the tub with them. does that make sense to do? Please give me some guidance.
     
  13. alexwgoody

    alexwgoody Senior member

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    Anyone?

    I'm pretty sure Slimane copied the NS's for the 21cm and the NC's for the 19cm. so, I think that the fit is nearly identical, except that APC's stretch a ton, and from what I've heard, DH's don't.
     
  14. aqhong

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    I'm pretty sure Slimane copied the NS's for the 21cm and the NC's for the 19cm. so, I think that the fit is nearly identical, except that APC's stretch a ton, and from what I've heard, DH's don't.
    Correction: They are copies of the original Standard and Cure. While the difference between the original Standard and New Standard is negligible (mainly the rise), the New Cure is quite a bit slimmer than the Cure (and therefore 19cm as well).
     
  15. Caveat

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    Shivers, if these are 32's then you are quite a slim guy and don't have any reason to wear sack-like jeans. Get a nice slim-line jean in your actual size. Unless you've got a big backside you should have plenty of options.

    Re the turn-ups: you have too many folds in them, and they look "rolled" as a result. I think turn-ups work best with either loose (1 small turn, hem showing) or skinny jeans (1 or more larger turns). If you mess with turn-ups on slim-ish jeans you risk the "mom-bought-my-jeans-too-big-because-she-says-i'm-growing-so-fast" look IMO, too MOTR and no longer snappy looking.

    If you want to keep the jeans you've got, then maybe get them shortened and hemmed, at least enough so that you only have to do a small single turn-up, or none at all. Reducing the stacking would help them sit a lot better i think.


    This is funny to me because I just this year started wearing a slimmer SF-approved fit instead of mall brand baggy jeans and this pair of N&Fs felt so tight on me that I worried if I could even pull it off. They look so different to me when I post the photos and can see how they look baggy now. Thanks for the advice.
     
  16. uristocrat

    uristocrat Well-Known Member

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    I am looking for a basic Raw Denim jean, straight cut. Dark Indigo with a button fly, no pocket designs or blatant branding. Recommend me some brands please, I don't have the stomach to search through this forum. I was thinking about Eternal 811s or whatever they are, but I just realized they are one-wash and I would really prefer raw. I already have a pair of APC's that are pretty beat, if I can't find anything similar that I like I think I will just get another pair of those ([​IMG]) and since I know the SF mindset is against APC, hopefully I will get some good tips! Thanks!
    i would just stay with apc... I think these are going to become my jeans of choice for now as well... I am open to suggestions from these forum members.. btw.. one of the writers for my site uristocrat.com wrote an article on raw denim... its really simple but provides a brief background on the selvedge denim: http://uristocrat.com/2009/09/29087/ any comments are appreciated.. (sorry if i am posting this in the wrong thread)...
     
  17. Fortysomething

    Fortysomething Senior member

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    i would just stay with apc... I think these are going to become my jeans of choice for now as well... I am open to suggestions from these forum members..


    btw.. one of the writers for my site uristocrat.com wrote an article on raw denim... its really simple but provides a brief background on the selvedge denim:
    http://uristocrat.com/2009/09/29087/

    any comments are appreciated.. (sorry if i am posting this in the wrong thread)...


    I didn't think that all raw denim was selvedge. Am I right on that one?
     
  18. connor

    connor Senior member

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    I didn't think that all raw denim was selvedge. Am I right on that one?

    correct.
     
  19. wagthesam

    wagthesam Senior member

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    How tight is a jean supposed to be around your balls? Is felling them push your balls up a little each time you walk too tight? Are you supposed to have a loose compartment down there?

    For my 3sixteens's straight, the legs fit fine, but I have a flatter ass so its loose in the rear. I can pull it up to commpensate slightly but theres this problem.
     
  20. phoenixrecon

    phoenixrecon Senior member

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    lol wut...

    if its painful on your genitalia... its to tight.
     

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