You're right. This is my first time giving advice to someone on how to measure their own pants for a pair of APCs. I'm guessing you're being sarcastic. Anyways, I wasn't referring to you. When you said "You go down two sizes based on what your "usual" pants size is." I agreed with you. It finding my "usual pants size" that I'm trying to figure out. I measured my waist (I just went straight around my navel) and I got 30". I have a pair of Lee jeans that are 32 x 32 that I guess fit pretty good, but I could probably go a little tighter (I can fit three fingers in the side). So what am I looking at for my normal pants size?