ah so 5ep probably isn't what i'm looking for since i'm mainly looking for some jeans for casual wear as opposed to a project...what about japanese denim? would that be something more along the lines of what i'm looking for or do those take alot of time to take care of and break in as well? So I take it you're looking for something quick and easy? APC seems to be a fan favorite for quick fades but I'm not a fan of the denim itself. The new RRL is very nice and from the photos I've seen fades very well and "more easily" than it used to. You could also go the LVC route or better, deadstock selvage from Crate. Been wearing a pair for a month now and it's coming along nicely. 5ep is Japanese denim, the company just happens to be based in the US. If you want quick fading denim you should probably avoid pretty much all Japanese denim. Can't say I agree with this because PG's right. I think it's a common misconception that Japanese brands must be fought tooth and nail on a daily basis. With a few exceptions (5EP and Sugarcane come to mind) I'd say the reverse is true. For starters, the Japanese brands we know usually contain far more starch than the average Nudie or hell, ANY Nudie that I've come across. Nudie also tends to soften up a lot more after the initial break in than any other jeans I've dealt with (r&b stays pretty soft throughout). Couple that with personal experience and evolution photos off here and sufu and I really don't think Nudies are as quick to fade as they're marketed or hyped to be. They're simply more of a no-nonsense no-frills jean that fits great from the get-go and ends up looking like what you wanted when you branched out to raw denim to begin with. Back to the OP, as long as you stay away from brands that are notorious for keeping their indigo you should be fine. Or you could just ignore that and enjoy the ride.