Well I'm not deadset on keeping them as dark as possible. But for my first wash (Or rather, soak? I don't know the correct term) I'd prefer to keep the denim as dark as possible. I want to starch the jean because I love how rigid jeans look (especially the creasing and such). I was just wondering what the best combination would be (for example, warm soak, no detergent, liquid starch mixed in) in order to achieve shrinking and minimal color loss. I was under the impression that warm water was needed in order to shrink clothing (apart from putting them in the dryer). I also have liquid starch laying around, might as well use that, right? You can really search around for this info and see the experiences others have had. But to put things simply, the thought behind maximum shrinking is hot wash with a trip in the dryer. Understand that most shrinkage you get from this will likely be lost within a couple of wears. You could also loose a fair amount of indigo from the hot soak/drying. So for saving color, just cold soak them or if they're especially dirty, use woolite dark. Then throw them in the hot dryer to shrink. As far as the starch goes, the only experience I have is with the spray can variety.