I don't get it, why buy a €5000 Brioni or Kiton suit when you can go bespoke?

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  1. Fred49

    Fred49 Senior member

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    Or maybe MBT or some other big mombojohambi tailor? Curses
     
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    Probably have double sided bread with cheese too?
     
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    This. I could eat this.
     
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    I don't trust my own selections enough! Haha. Just kidding. It's about the whole experience.
     
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    I have a frightening cycling in Germany story dealing with the above meat pile and why you should be careful where you eat it.
     
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    I am careful before I dive into any meat pile. I've got stories too.
     
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    i don't really understand this trickers fad, they make such ugly boots, trickers consistently makes some of the ugliest boots known to man, *consistently*, that is quite the achievement by itself. have people gotten used to seeing utterly beautiful clothing, accessories, items, shoes etc, that they think wearing somethign different and ugly such as a trickers shoes to stand out and be different will make them look better?
     
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    I thought of this discussion when I saw this article:
    From the WSJ
    Herzfeld is a great store that stocks high-quality items selected with a good eye. It is not unlike Tie-Your-Tie in that respect, only the grandpa shuffle is less enticing than the Florentine swagger. In time past, Herzfeld would be a great place for people to learn about MC from people who had been around and knew what they were doing. I think that, today, younger people might find the prices and atmosphere intimidating and looking online to be a lot easier. Will's site is a lot more accessible for many people - you get the same direction from a knowledgeable person, but you can take it in at your own pace and without fear of looking stupid to the screen. The prices may be similar, but there is less concern about walking out of a website if you can't afford anything. There are a few great places like Herzfeld left in NY (some still secret, but thriving), but I wonder for how much longer. The species is on the watchlist.
    For reasons I can't explain, there are tons of places like this in Italy.
     
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    They buy a Brioni or Kiton because they can and they choose to. Really a personal preference.
     
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    great article. i don't understand how such a store can go out of business, are the CEOs/owners paying themselves $250,000 salaries and the profit is in the negative at the end of the year. perhaps they should work for $1 like google's CEOs. i mean the store buying a shirt for $40 and sells it for $100, is it that hard to stay in business, rent is prolly the most expensive cost they have, they should move to a lower rent place. i think there are 2 problrms, lack of customers willing to buy old world style clothing, everything is more street nowadays, i mean who wear a pocket watch right, MC clothing is going extinct. and the second is the internet store, whree you can get the same item but at a LOWER price, i mean if you have this option who would CHOOSE to buy at a retial store to get RIPPED off, am i right? third, who would really pay extra just for the sake of paying extra, i mean look you can buy a 3 pack of undershirts for $10 at walmart and they are just as good as those $95 you see at their store, i know cause i have "high end" underwear and "regualr" underwear, all just branding. and. i am seeing they need a $150,000 loan, that is shocking, do these men know more about clothes than how to run a busines, what could they possible need that much money for? did one of the owners need to settle a gambling debt with a loanshark because he spent too much money at the casino?
     
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    I didn't read the article but most store owners can't just pay themselves $1 a year. They have other expenses like food, shelter, medical/dental/vision insurance, etc that $1 a year doesn't cover. The Google guys and other CEO's can get away with this because those guys are already multimillionaires and the company picks up those things. If this were just a hobby of their's and they are already rich as shit, then they could get away with the $1/year salary.

    I'm guessing these guys store isn't big enough to pick up all those extra living expenses. Also, my guess on the $150,000 loan might be to buy the inventory or put a deposit on the inventory since their working capital is probably pretty thin.
     
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    the 1 dollar figure was just an estimate, they can go as low as min wage or 1/2 min wage if they are on survival mode, clearly they are currently paying themselves too much if they are in the red at the end of the year.

    $150k is a lot of money, that could pay for 10 years worth of rent, so what do they need that much for? they buy a suit for $500 sell it for $1500, easy profit, i have talked to some suit makers and they said between choices of clothes i can choose i asked if i choose the more expensive one(cause at the time i naively thought more $$$ was better) will the layman notice it, and they said no, so why would i spend a couple of extra hundred for something that looks exacly the same.customers are getting smarter, i can tell me my experience i bought a pocket square on ebay, $2 shipped across the world, will look just as good as a $100 pocketsquare from a mensstore that has to pay like $20 of that 100 towards rent, terribly inefficient, just like burning money if you buy that overpriced clothes. so i am not surprised if they are strugling. i dont' want to pay $100 for a $2 pocket square. i could buy a tie at the thrift store for a $1 and it will be just as ugly as any tie from any mensstore that costs $100. the twisted and mad marketing in fashion is amazing, getting people to spend $1000+ on pieces of leather called shoes.
     
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    Am I mistaken or did you say that $150k would buy 10 years rent in NYC?
     
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    I think he mistakenly hit the "0" key.
     
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    I think that they are beautiful. If you think of "beautiful", as meaning elegant, then you'd be be right, they do not make elegant, dainty, shoes. But I don't want that. I want a pair of shitkickers that look rugged and tough, while being well made and of good materials. It has nothing to do with standing out and looking different. Of course, my style influences are probably different than yours.
     

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