Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Nektopoli, Nov 15, 2003.
Versace Classic V2
Ermenegildo Zegna(?) Talk to me about this lable.
Zegna makes some great fabric, but their suits are way overpriced.
And how would you compare these Italian guys with Hugo Boss?
Zegna tends to be more expensive than the other two, mainly because the fabrics are seen as very prestigious. They built their biz as a highly reputable textile mill and I think they just started to make their own suits in the last 15 years, which is not really that long ago.
Btw, where does the high, high-end suit companies (the like of Kiton, Brioni, Oxxford, etc) get their fabrics from?
Inasmuch as retail prices are almost always ridiculous regardless of the brand, yes. Compared to its peers, no, not at all.
id be interested in a rating of those three as well, with corneliani thrown in the mix
1.Zegna- Fairly pricey, but construction is canvassed and high quality. Some people on SF do not like the styling, I personally do. Make sure you are getting the main line, and not ones that are made with Zegna cloth (Tessuto Zegna) or the Zegna Soft or Z Zegna lines.
2.Corneliani- The Linea Sartoriale is fully canvassed and nice stuff. Personally I think the Zegna is a bit better, but some will prefer the styling of Corneliani.
3.Versace- Lightly fused, I like the styling of this better than Collezioni, quality will be similar.
4.Armani Collezioni- Lightly fused, quality is not up to the standards of Zegna and Corneliani, but not bad either. Fairly expensive for the quality, but deals can be found.
5.Hugo Boss- Interesting styling but quality of construction is not too great, fused in a way that bubbling will probably occur sooner than later.
drizz (or anyone else), with respect to the corneliani linea satoriale - is this a particular line that is indicated on the label? i have been looking at some corneliani suits at saks but didnt notice that on the inside label. what is retail usually like on that line? is the corneliani line (outside of the linea) still of good quality? also, i would be curious how you would describe the shaping and silhoutte of the above mentioned brands...for instance, i see canali seems well respected on here but after trying on some i have come to find i do not like the shoulder and chest of that brand (shoulders are too...high, boxy, or squarish on me - i know that probably isnt using typical 'fashion' terms) and i am wondering, in general, how the zegna, corneliani, boss, and armani shapes would be desribed thanks.
I believe main line Corneliani is called Linea Sartoriale, there are ones called Corneliani Trend that are fused, and the suits that Corneliani makes for RL are partially fused.
I would characterize Zegna as having a bit boxier shoulders, Armani having a fairly natural shoulder, with versace being somewhere in between. IMO Corneliani is on the slightly more structured size, but again, I'm not an expert and would defer to the opinions of others on this issue.
Actually, there is a regular Corneliani line and Corneliani Linea Sartoria. Both are fully canvassed, but the latter is the higher line (materials and handwork).
Thanks for the clarification.
I noticed that you seem to address 'bubbling' on fused suits. I think this is not big of deal. I have 2 hugo boss suits and 2 sports coats they all are well over 8 years old. I still wear them regularly when i go to work. I have not seen any bubbles yet.
I do avoid fused suits simply canvased suits feels better when worn. Also I think it shapes better as well (exception to Armani. Armani suits create beautiful drape.)
I would not limit my choices in one label. For me, Armani makes the BEST styled knits. If I was to buy knits, I would not look else-where.
For dress shirts, I like Hugo Boss. Simply they have youthful style and fit. It does not use crazy patterns like Versace do or not outragously priced like Prada or D&G.
For suits, my first choice is Canali. Great quality. Fit may not be for all. Then Zegna. Again, great qaulity but yes, its overpriced.
Really, Hugo Boss stuffs are not that bad. But if you are used to hand tailored clothes and specialty labels, you would never like mass produced labels anyways.
I have never experienced corneliani, so I cannot talk about it.
zegna usually have softer padded shoulder and chest than Canali. Zegna's shoulder line is more slented than Canali.
Canali's shoulders are real stright. I don't know why. But if you find fabric that drapes well, shoulders can look quite good.
Boss, they used to make suits real boxy like canadian made suits, but I think they fixed that this season. New suits are very italian cut.
Armani has the most room in shoulders. It creates very soft and round drapes all over. If you are muscular and have big shoulders, and do not mind fused suit, then Armani is for you.
I agree with MilanoStyle about the shoulder shape on the Zegna and Canali jackets. I find the Canali jackets I have drape well while the Zegna are more form fitting. Both have nice cuts but I find I wear the Zegna jackets more often.
I have never tried on an Armani jacket which fit me very well. The new models seem to have the waist taken in too far, trying to achieve an hourglass shape which results in the bottom of the jackets flairing out unnaturally.
Anyone know if the Corneliani and Canali lapels are pick stiched? Â I know the Zegna suits are. Thanks, Scott PS - I am particularly interested in SierraTP Corneliani Suit I wonder how it compares to the regular zegna line. It is quite a bit less retail.
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