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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ernest, Feb 22, 2005.

  1. ernest

    ernest Senior member

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    In your opinion, how much does cost a good RTW (tag price):

    1) Pair of shoes = 450 euros
    2) Shirt = 120 euros
    3) Suit = 900 euros
    4) Tie = 70 euros
    5) Cufflinks = 120 euros
    6) Braces = 70 euros
    7) Belt = 120 euros
    8) Mac = 600 euros
    9) Cashmere Coat / Woolen coat = 1 500 / 600 euros
    10) Pair of leather gloves = 150 euros
    11) Watch = 1 500 euros
    12) Cashmere jumper = 400 euros
    13) Pair of socks = 12 euros
     
  2. Styleman

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    I'm talking minimum 'tag prices' here, obviously you can spend a lot more. (These days in London you can get the styling for much cheaper, what with Reiss and Zara, but quality is a different issue - the below prices reflect quality and design)

    (All prices in GBP)

    1. Shoes = 250
    2. Shirt = 40 (It may seem cheap, but see Marks and Spencer)
    3. Suit = 800
    4. Tie = 50
    5. Cufflinks = 60
    6. Braces = never bought, I'm not a NY or City stock broker.
    7. Belt = 100
    8. Mac = 400
    9. Cashmere Coat / Wool Coat = 1200 / 800
    10. Leather gloves = 60
    11. Watch = 2000
    12. Cashmere sweater = 250
    13. Socks = Depends on fabric eg. cotton, silk, cashmere.
     
  3. bryce330

    bryce330 Senior member

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    It depends what you mean by "good." I think the shirt price might be a little low - for a quality shirt with single needle stitching, MOP buttons, etc. you are probably looking at closer to 150-180 Euro. This is about the normal price range for Zegna shirts, which are the minimum of what I'd consider "good."

    Most of the other prices you listed are too high, such as cufflinks, belts, and especially watches (there are plenty of quality automatic watches for 300-400 Euro).
     
  4. Styleman

    Styleman Senior member

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    Zegna shirts are utter bollocks compared to M&S Shirts, (fabric by cotonifico albli) M&S = 35 pounds, Zegna = min 60 pounds.

    400 euro for a watch is a bit off to say the least. I'm sure a lot of people are sneering at you.
     
  5. bryce330

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    Yes, I'm sure it's easy to sneer when you're a 17 year old boy living in your mom's basement and carrying out a pathetic charade of pretending to be a multibillionaire steel magnate.

    I have not seen M&S shirts but based on other department store shirts I have seen and my general knowledge of M&S' merchandise, I would be surprised if they did not have double needle stitching and plastic buttons.

    As for watches, they demonstrate the rule of diminishing returns more than any other clothing or accessories. It's easy to find a quality automatic movement for under $500; anything you pay over that is going for appearance or (more likely) name and perceived prestige.

    I purchased the watch I'm wearing today from Marinella for 360 Euro - I would put it up against any watch costing 2000 Euro, and I have the extra 1600 to spend on suits, shirts, ties, etc.
     
  6. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    My list is in $, and I put the manufacturer of the minimum acceptable item(s) there.

    1) Pair of shoes = $300 (Bally, Allen Edmonds, Alden)
    2) Shirt = $100 (Coles, not counting Jantzen)
    3) Suit = $800 (W.W. Chan, Brooks Brothers GF)
    4) Tie = $99 (Carlo Franco)
    5) Cufflinks n/a
    6) Braces n/a
    7) Belt = $80
    8) Mac n/a
    9) Cashmere Coat / Woolen coat $800 (Saks/Barney's/NM house brand)
    10) Pair of leather gloves n/a
    11) Watch $1000
    12) Cashmere jumper $179 (J. Crew/LP)
    13) Pair of socks $10 (many)
     
  7. Styleman

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    Steel magnate? What the hell do you mean?

    Basement - no sorry boss, the maids, butler, drivers, and security guards sleep there, and yes I don't know of many 17 year olds that don't live with their parents, so I don't see your point. Perhaps you come from a broken home.

    Good for your general knowledge - unfortunately you are wrong on both counts. In addition, I never knew it was a department store.

    Wow, you can read an Economics textbook, woo you. Unfortunately, you have misinterpreted the concept; DR is a concept for normal goods, not watches, which are not a normal good. Moreover, prestige is not perceived, it is a factor of demand, and has no link to either a de-merit good, or externality.

    Do not concern yourself so much with my life.
     
  8. bryce330

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    Give it up, Avnish. Â After all the BS you have posted here, why should anyone take you seriously or believe that you have "maids, butler, drivers, and security guards" in your home? Â You are a running joke on this board. Â Do I need to remind you of this: [​IMG]
     
  9. Styleman

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    Get a life mate.
     
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    Styleman Senior member

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    Does anyone have a clue what this "Bryce" guy is talking about?

    Who is "Avnish"?

    What is the relevance of the picture? Yes, it is a nice watch, is he trying to say it cost him 400 Euros? Last time I checked, that model's retail is about 18,500
     
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    (Styleman @ Feb. 22 2005,12:00) Steel magnate? What the hell do you mean? Basement - no sorry boss, the maids, butler, drivers, and security guards sleep there, and yes I don't know of many 17 year olds that don't live with their parents, so I don't see your point. Perhaps you come from a broken home.
    Give it up, Avnish. After all the BS you have posted here, why should anyone take you seriously or believe that you have "maids, butler, drivers, and security guards" in your home? You are a running joke on this board. Do I need to remind you of this: [​IMG]
    HAHAHAHA. [​IMG] Oh, man now THAT'S humor. Jon.
     
  12. linux_pro

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    Whose watch is that? I'm lost.

    My watch is a simple (but not TOO cheap) gold and SS Seiko. It has served me quite well. The idea of spending money on a Cartier or Rolex seems silly to me. I could invest the savings, and in 2-3 years have enough return to buy 2 or 3 Rolex's, although I would rather reinvest that money. It reminds me of one of my father's favorite sayings, "Don't spend money on anything that's not going to make you money." You could say a nice suit is extravagant, but I don't think so - it's more of an investment. It is important to have quality suits if you would like to have a good job. My car is a different story. Heh heh. But spending more than 400 USD on a watch seems ludicrous to me. I have a clock on my cell phone, after all. Again, it just comes down to personal tastes I guess.
     
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    Linux, I finally see something I agree with you on. It's amazing. I am with you, I could never spend an absurd amount on a watch, I think $400 is plenty. I might spend $1k on a watch ONCE. Styleman/whatever, you are SUCH a bad liar. [​IMG]
     
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    Kalra posted that picture when he was still posting under that moniker in an argument with Ernest about whether or not Diamonds on watches are ugly or something equally pointless.
     
  15. bryce330

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    Whose watch is that? I'm lost.
    Kalra posted that picture when he was still posting under that moniker in an argument with Ernest about whether or not Diamonds on watches are ugly or something equally pointless.
    Just to add to that explanation, the reason it was so funny at the time was that he was still pretending to be Lakshmi Mittal, whose skin is more than a few shades darker than the arm in the picture.
     
  16. William Massena

    William Massena Well-Known Member

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    Having been a watch collector for 20 years I have noticed a funny trend over these years. The guys with the nicest watches are usually very ill fitted and show up with the ugliest shoes. Also the opposite hold true, I have noticed, especially here in NYC that well dress gents have very poor taste in watches. I have watches in my collection from the 20's including a Cartier tank allongee (without bling bling thank you), which I must admit does more than bring me joy since I could sell it today and fund a year of Ivy league college for my kid, especially given the fact that I paid $2,200 for it in 1991. I seriously doubt that any of my suits from the early 90's could be sold to fund more than 3 school books. Like clothes, watches are available at different price level, while I often read in this forum that some of you buy used clothes (something I could not imagine doing), I have read a few purchasing Kenneth Cole quartz from the price of a decent vintage manual wind. Watches do require knowledge and taste but not always money. There were much more bargains 20 years ago but the same can be say about clothes. Finally, you need to buy only one watch which could potentially reward you for the rest of your life, everyday and (pardon the pun) every minute, I can hardly think of any other material object that could do the same. Jon, it is funny that you have a quote from Charles V, king of Spain, & Holland and Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire (parts of Austria), he was most likely the largest watch collector of all time. He was known to own half the clocks produced and created during his time. William
     
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    Do you consider H&K as good?
     
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    Which ones?
     
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    Some of M&S shirts are very good (they had been rated by the financial time just below T&A, this issue was on H&K website)

    Not sneering anymore but laughing. If you spend 200 euros on shirts which is just woven cotton I thing you can not say seriously that a good watch is 400 euros.


    Isn't anything you pay above 120 euros in a shirt just appareance and prestige too?
     
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    You can not pay $99 in a tie and 300 in shoes = not serious.
     

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