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How much of SF groupthink do you actually follow?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by FidelCashflow, Feb 22, 2009.

  1. conradwu

    conradwu Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I don't find grenadine ties that special anymore. In fact I find them quite boring and over-hyped.
     
  2. gimmeabreak

    gimmeabreak Active Member

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    After much experimentation, I concluded that the consensus on jacket sleeves is way, way too short for my taste. While it admittedly looks... okay if you just stand in front of a mirror, I just got tired of sleeves riding up my arms, so now all my sleeves go slightly past the wrist crease and into the palm, and it's fine.

    Other than that, I could have saves myself a lot of time, if I had adopted the mafoofan ways early on - after several years of ultimately wasted time, I realized that his uniform is indeed ideal, and that's all i have now [​IMG]
     
  3. FlyingMonkey

    FlyingMonkey Senior member

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    This is more like the traditional British cut - where you show very little, if any, shirt cuff. I like this on some suits, mainly the lighter coloured ones, where the contrast with a shirt is less onvious anyway, and less on others, particularly darker suits. But even on the latter, I prefer a maximum of 1cm of cuff to show, and usually about 0.5cm.
     
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  4. ImTheGroom

    ImTheGroom Senior member

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    I use the term groupthink as a quick and easy way to refer to the mode of thinking that persons engage in when concurrence-seeking becomes so dominant in a cohesive ingroup that it tends to override realistic appraisal of alternative courses of action. ~ Irving Janis
     
  5. size 38R

    size 38R Senior member

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    "Groupthink"
    = an individual is intelligent/self aware and can make choices,but a large group?- are unable as individuals to break out and make individual choices.

    groupthink is what i like to call a "Style inhibitor" akin to a school uniform when we were young. when we dress in a uniformed appearance, replicating each-other. we lose not only our unique style, but also our imagination to come up with new looks. thereby creating a circle to be inside, but none outside. in direct opposition to the exploration of style as a concept.

    Remember, we Styleforum members set ourselves apart from the other men around us. we do not conform, we set a precedent for being men who have high self standards. in the real world, we look different, so why be conformist and look the same as others on here??

    I have already seen noobs adopt grouthink, and fail miserably. style comes from individual choices, and custom tutiledge. with nods to frame, complexion, eye color, hair color,height, and weight. also personal taste.

    what looks good on man "A", might not look good on man"B". and if man "C" is wearing the exact same thing as A and B, well none of them stand out as looking particularly good. so the man who actually looks good in said fit has lost his "Uniqueness" , and in a sea of simillar fits, can no longer be immediately recognized as "Stylish" . To an untrained eye? - they all look the same. individual style has been crushed by groupthink. And an increasing environment where the safest choice is the best? implies that style has peaked, and can no longer be advanced. and that would be a shame for all of us.

    what i wear is not an example of naivity, rather a complete rejection of groupthink. and an odyssey in the development of a personal style.
    this is my honest belief, take it or leave it, individuality in the advancement of personal style is why i joined this forum .
     
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  6. YRR92

    YRR92 Senior member

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    ^^
    But by wearing coat and tie traditional items of clothing, we're already giving up some independence. If you want complete creative freedom in clothing, CM is a dead end -- it's mannerism, where relatively small changes are communicating most of the meaning.

    Style comes from choices people make, yes, but in any given form, an awareness of the form is important, so when you do something "different," it's with an awareness of why it's different. I also think it's possible to "reverse-engineer" the rules -- taking "this works" and figuring out substitutions for certain things.

    That said, the world of tasteful CM is wider than "dressed by the Internet" might suggest. Look at all but the most outrageous stuff Vox posts on his blog -- it's relatively tasteful, but it's not all Marinella/spread collar/soft shoulder/brown half-brogue, either. I think a lot of "Styleforum gospel" is based on progressively safer versions of clothes that certain very well-dressed men with very well-developed personal style would wear.

    Also, plenty of people are happy to play covers of songs, and there's no reason to frown on that.

    EDIT: The clothes also have baggage -- semiotic meaning beyond just pure aesthetics, and a knowledge of the rules helps to manipulate that.
     
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  7. gringodaddy

    gringodaddy Senior member

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    Not sure if this is following group think or not, but this is what I have learned from lurking and participating:

    1. Poor fit means a poor outfit, even if the individual pieces are great
    2. It is better to have a smaller more versatile and complementary wardrobe then a large non-coherent one.
    3. For a fit to work each piece needs to make sense from a formality standpoint.
    4. Stick to a consistent and complementary color palette.
    5. I wear tailored clothing much more comfortably in non-formal settings now
    6. Texture matters at least as much as color (so no worsted or smooth trousers with a flannel jacket for example).

    Where I differ from group think:

    1. white shirts and blue odd trousers are not inherently evil items
     
  8. size 38R

    size 38R Senior member

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    While i agree with your opinions, and personal style. which you have developed rather well..i must disagree with this highlighted part.
    CM has no limits, like anything it can be pretty ordinary, but in some instances, it can become something extraordinary. we have all seen examples, for me, a special mention to member Eazye, who has improved immensely, while making his own choices.

    although the groupthink definition of CM is limited, the clothes themselves have unlimited possibilities.

    my wardrobe is 80% "CM" and i retain my independance to wear it in continually evolving ways-
    . incorporating workwear wherever possible. -not always win (admittedly) ,but always unique, and more stylish than the average guy on the street.

    the seperation between SW&D and CM, has created an unintentional isolation in what CM really is. coralling a group in to a smaller circle has only served to increase the intensity of groupthink. the merging of two worlds once more would open the doors to a larger number of "Approved" choices, and even miracles might happen, uprcrust might wear converse?- who knows. but either way, style is something that just can not be defined. and when it becomes a standard, it becomes "Normal". and who wants to be "Normal"?

    Groupthink only serves to starve the members of choice. making them reluctant to try new things.
    depleting the forums of legitimate "Style" . and we, (all of us) miss out on seeing the occaisional epic win. that is completely ground breaking.

    please don't see this as an argument, - more of a exercise in brainstorming. where we can bounce thoughts and ideas off each other.
    no offence is intended.
     
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  9. Nine Miler

    Nine Miler Senior member

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  10. YRR92

    YRR92 Senior member

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    I totally agree with this. I think the average streetwear and denim poster (though they seem to have certain group-think-ish elements as well) has a grasp of some things that many CM posters take longer to get a handle on (silhouette and drama come to mind in a big way). On the other hand (maybe this is a misperception) it seems to me that a lot of SWD posters are interested in details of clothing, while more CM posters are interested in details of combinations -- not that either set is myopic, but I get the sense SWD is 60% clothing itself and like 40% fabric/pattern co-ordination, and then CM is the other way around.

    That's, admittedly, based on me lurking on their WAYWRN more than anything else.
     
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