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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by AlanC, Dec 1, 2004.
DONT LISTEN TO HIM FELLAHS... OBVIOUSLY HE IS NUTS. JJF
I can appreciate that devotion to minimalism even if I find myself unable to participate in it. As a noted philosopher once stated, the things you own end up owning you. Too many articles of clothing and you end up creating other sets of problems for yourself.
You can never have too many pairs of cufflinks. They don't take up that much room. They are the ideal collectible.
And you don't have to wear them to enjoy them. Approximately 20% of collection are new in box and have never been worn. It's great to find 80 year or older pairs in this condition. Pairs like this go instantly into one of my (many) display cases around the house.
And I am not obsessive. I am not obsessive. I am not obsessive.........................
I mean no disrespect, but with your tremendous collection, you among us would at least reach the bare minimum for obsession. It's okay, though. I wish I could have a wardrobe like you have cufflinks.
I was thinking about just this discussion last week when I took a 1 week vacation and hung out in nothing but T-Shirts and shorts.
My problem is my tie collection. Â I must have collected about 50 ties over the past 24 years and haven't really thrown any away. Â So I went through it and removed the ones I will never wear again and colors / patterns I found unsuitable bringing the collection down to 20. Â Working in a business casual environment I probably wear 1 or 2 ties a month, so do I really need to buy another TM Lewin just because I like the color and construction?
A lady was calling into Suze Orman's show and was discussing how she was having a hard time with her credit limits and how her cards were maxed out. Â Suze's first question was "How many shoes are in your closet" to which the lady replied, 20. Â Suze impressed upon her that she had a spending problem. Â Interesting dilemma. Â How many black shoes (insert color) does 1 person need?
On the other hand, my best friend is an electronics freak and has to have the best and newest all the time. Â I think his compulsion sounds like a lot of the posts above mine in this thread and if you change the above sentence around to "has to have the best and newest Lobbs all the time", then has anything really changed?
I like to keep everything in moderation and have the right to spend my discretionary income wherever I see fit. Â That typically means several shirts or accessories per month.
Cuffthis prompts an interesting question. Â At what point does your wardrobe acquisition habits change from needing it because of something you will wear to needing it to add to your collection?
I got a fortune cookie at a chinese restaurant last week that said "the more you know, the less you need". I think that holds true with clothes too. No need for dozens upon dozens of suits. Heres a trick I picked up a few years back, purely by accident - I started ordering an extra pair of pants with my suits, because I like keeping things for a long time, and the pants of suits can wear out pretty quickly. I soon then started ordering 1 pair pleated, one flat front. Therefore, since I always get 3 piece suits, i have a 4 piece suit. Seems like more than necessary, but think about it. I have so many different ways of wearing it. I generally go with the pleated pants with the vest, and flat front when I am sans vest. Since I dont really wear the jacket at the office, only when I am with clients, I can wear the suit much more often, with the rotation of the pants. If you stick to solids, gray and blue and whatnot, those extra pants easily double as odd pants to wear with sweaters and the like.
If I can't fit my wardrobe (not including sneakers, of course) into 2 large suitcases, I have too much (I am on the verge right now). Not counting athletic clothing (i.e. to be used exclusively at the gym), a guy really only needs a few good pairs of jeans, a half dozen tee shirts, a couple of pair of sneakers and casual shoes/boots, a hoodie and a few casual shirts/tops, a good casual jacket, couple of good suits, a pair of black and a pair of brown balmorals, a week's worth of dress shirts, half a dozen ties, and a dinner suit.
That being said, I have a lot more casual clothing than I need.
I've taken this thread to heart. I've bought my last pair of Aldens for a while and have added a new signature line in the manner of norcaltransplant.
I'm of the "bulging closet" school because I'm addicted to quality but am unwilling to pay more than 25% of retail. Â In that market, you buy what you can when you can (with certain exceptions ). Â Then, instead of planning, I just wait for good outfits to arise from the formless void of my closet while I note my own attitudes toward each item. Â It has to be a gradual, organic process, because at the beginning my @#%$ completist left brain always says, "You know, your plaid line-up is pretty thin, so, so you obviously 'need' this sportsjacket." Â Only after I instinctively avoid wearing it for a year does it finally sink in that a red & yellow plaid sportsjacket makes me look like a goddamn circus clown, and that I consequently have no use for a "plaid line-up". Â At that point anything in this category gets re-sold or donated. Â I think the "80/20" skew jekv12 alluded to is really exacerbated by marked differences in quality. Â If you began with a fused suit from Men's Wearhouse, then added something from Brooks Bros, then Canali, then Kiton, and are now in the market for top-tier bespoke, what are the chances you'll ever wear that lowly MW suit again with anything approaching satisfaction?
Obviously one of the keys is to keep the good and clear out the bad and the ugly. I've done this with shoes. This past year--spurred by AA/SF knowledge--I upgraded my shoe wardrobe, cap(toe)ing it off with a couple of pairs of Grensons. I sold the old pairs on ebay, and amazingly people bought them all. Who are these people?
I need to be a bit more ruthless about clearing old stuff out.
phil, I am with you, 2 pair of pants with every suit, and 2 waistcoats. the pants are identical (flat) but the odd vest is a color that matches all of my suits. they both physically last longer and have more matching options.
I hope that I haven't started a trend that will affect the economy adversly ...
Thats interesting, Ive never thought about getting 2 vests. Not a bad idea at all, however, I have never been one to sport "odd vests". Although I know it certainly looks quite good on people, it may just not be for me. A fellow I work with wears a white flannel vest in the winter all the time, with all manners of suits. He looks great.
I don't know how good I look in them, but I like them. I have a half dozen or so, in dark shades of cashmere - black, dark blue, dark maroon. I remember seeing a very distinguished man in Paris about 10 years ago wearing a charcoal gray double breasted suit with a red silk waistcoat and it was one of the best looks I have ever seen. on the otehr hand, he was one of these rail thin, tall old men with great posture and a full head of long thick silver hair, so he could have pulled off anything.
I am not that impressive, but I try....
judging by most of the posts i'm reading i definitely am obsessively overbought
I second the use of odd vests. I have three, one in gray, black, and white. All sport the same style: SB, high button stance, and lapelled. My black 3-piece, 3-button SB MTM RL Polo for instance can easily become dressier with the use of my white vest. Whereas my black vest adds distinction when paired with one of my gray suits.
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