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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by NotoriousMarquis, May 1, 2012.

  1. NotoriousMarquis

    NotoriousMarquis Senior member

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    I'd like to know, on average, how long a double leather sole can last, in terms of miles. Or what your experiences have been.
     


  2. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    They last exactly one mile.
     


  3. NotoriousMarquis

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    No, no, you just think that because with your rotation, after you walk a mile in a pair of shoes on a given day, you take them off and never have to see them again. :)
     


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    Is the pair gemmed?
     


  5. NotoriousMarquis

    NotoriousMarquis Senior member

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    (no sarcasm) could you explain how that would make a difference?
     


  6. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    A double sole does not "last" any longer than a single sole.

    When the sole wears through the bottom layer, it is past time to resole in either case.

    The function of a "double" sole is to make the shoe more unyielding to broken terrain. Think hiking boot. Shoes that pursue this goal might even have a "triple" sole, like the famous Weston Chasse.

    An aesthetic reason for a double or "HAF" type of sole might be simply for the looks of it.

    It has nothing to do with longevity of wear for city use, i.e., walking "mileage." The actual quality of the leather in the sole (e.g., is it bark tanned?) has more to do with how long you can wear it before a resole.
     
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  7. NotoriousMarquis

    NotoriousMarquis Senior member

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    Ahhh, I thought double sole allowed a bit more time before a resole was necessary.

    Then the question becomes: In terms of city mileage, how long would an alden double oil locked sole last vs a trickers or AS double oak bark tanned sole?
     


  8. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    Well, when you should resole and how long you can torture a shoe before it dies a horrible Dickensonian death are two different things. A double sole will do the latter longer than a single sole, but it would not do the former any differently.

    I have no answer to your second set of comparative questions. It is sort of like asking if an Incotex or Mabitex chino will wear through first in the ass if you are squirmy in your office task seat. There is probably an answer, but is the question worth asking?
     


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    I think it's more like asking if left or right handed woven denim will blow out at the crotch sooner.

    but:

    there are far worse deaths to die than Dickensonian—if we think alone, downtrodden, beaten to a pulp emotionally, let's go with gogol, no?

    In point of fact, no it's probably not worth answering for most people, but perhaps for someone who has a limited income and live in new york city as a pedestrian, it becomes a point of interest. However, overall my question remains unanswered, and I still don't know how long a quality sole will last in a city.
     


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    Cities are hard on the sole, it's true.
     


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    My old commute to school involved about a half mile walk each way, maybe 150 yards of which was along a sandy/gravely path. It knackered leather soles extremely quickly - like walking over broken glass or something - I remember getting shoes resoled perhaps annually. I rotated I guess three pairs of shoes back then (all single soles, but as F.C. points out that's essentially irrelevant), so we could calculate that the soles were lasting roughly 150 miles (allowing for a bit of extra use at each end of the commute and on weekends). But they were middling quality shoes and I wasn't exactly diligent about their care back then.
     


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    I don't think anyone can really come up with a mileage answer. Most people will just remember when they had to resole a pair of shoes (which is not particularly related to the OP's question), not how far they'd walked while wearing them.

    If the OP is really interested in a distance-related answer, I suspect the answer will be to buy a pedometer and experiment.


    Assuming you're referring to Dickens here which would make sense in the context, I had no idea Americans used Dickensonian instead of Dickensian; I learn something new every day. Or is there an academic difference between the two adjectives that I'm not aware of? I'm curious now...
     


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    I've walked many miles in mine. How many? I don't know.
     


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    There is no effective difference between the two, but when words become adjectives or adverbs, sometimes the suffix is a bastardization of an actual word which gives the user something to say but not necessarily something that's correct. For example, I've had two philosophy professors, one who was scottish and would say 'epistemic' when discussing a question in epistemology, while Ive had another professor who was american and said 'epistemological' to the same end. I'm not sure which was right.
     


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    If you had not got 753 posts I would have said 'troll'. A double sole will last no longer than a single sole: Double does not refer to longer life rather a stiffer shoe. Seems a rather odd and indeed unnecessary question.
     
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