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How important is "Made in the USA" to you?

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Teger, Feb 25, 2013.

How important is "Made in the USA" to you?

  1. I am willing to pay a premium for "Made in the USA"

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    64.8%
  2. I am not willing to pay a premium for "Made in the USA"

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  1. pickpackpockpuck

    pickpackpockpuck Senior member

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    "Made in USA" doesn't guarantee that the actual person on the sewing machine is good at their job, anymore than "Made in China" guarantees that construction is inferior. It does, however, mean it's more likely (though not certain) that the person got paid a fair amount for their work. It's pretty likely that it was an Asian immigrant who made it anyway if its US made. Of course you can always question whether that factory job in China, even if it pays crap, is keeping somebody out of poverty...
     


  2. hoodyear

    hoodyear Senior member

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    As someone who has been to quite a few factories in China, I have zero reservations about buying Chinese-made goods. Ethical arguments are spurious, with rare exception.
     
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  3. wumingde

    wumingde Well-Known Member

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    :nodding:
     


  4. Spencer

    Spencer Senior member

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    Always willing to pay more for made in the US
     


  5. Artem

    Artem Well-Known Member

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    Paying solely for the fact that a product was manufactured in a certain location does a disservice to the advancement of globalization and promotes illogical nationalism. I'd pay more for the Made in China and then make forum posts about it just to piss of rednecks.
     


  6. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    First pair.


    Because of where I am.

    It would be a hypothetical scenario, because I don't think I could find Made in USA pants.
     
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  7. ManofKent

    ManofKent Senior member

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    Not living in the US I'm probably not your target audience, but you'll get my thoughts anyway :D

    There is a bit of me that likes the idea of a company maintaining a history of production in the UK that stretches back.

    I might pay a small premium for two products of identical quality if one was made in the UK over one made overseas, but certainly not an additional 50%.

    For me Made in USA has no emotional pull over made anywhere else.

    If treatment of employees was my major concern, I'd stick to European made over US made (correct me if I'm wrong, but US Employee rights aren't that great compared to European ones - the idea of 'at will' employment is a strange concept).

    The clothing industry has never had a great reputation for the treatment of employees, be it in the UK or overseas.

    Whilst my feeling is there are probably greater abuses in poorer countries than richer ones a quick search brings up a lot of results for illegal/morally questionable practices in both the UK and US:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/retail-giants-shamed-by-uk-sweatshops-2128022.html
    http://www.good.is/posts/ethical-style-there-are-still-sweatshops-in-america

    I suspect that in the UK at least, there is also a lot of home piece work that is truly exploitative...
     


  8. ManofKent

    ManofKent Senior member

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    Is it still the case that jeans produced in Samoa, Guam, Saipan etc. can be labelled as Made in the USA, whilst being exempt from US labor laws?
     


  9. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    It used to be terrible. One of my first jobs was a homeworker, stuffing electronic components into circuit boards at an extremely low piece-rate. I suspect there's laws governing homeworking in the UK now, may be difficult to enforce though. There's sweat-shops in the UK as well, which are apparel industry. Couple years ago there was a BBC investigation into Primark using illegal sweat-shop labour in Manchester.
     


  10. gaseousclay

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    same here. I avoid Chinese made crap whenever possible, although, nowadays this is hard to do because everything seems to be made in China. For me it is an issue of fair labor practices and I dislike the idea that some 10 year old sewed a pair of pants for me for next to nothing, versus a well-paid laborer in the US who would at least be making a livable wage. most clothing companies source their production overseas, whether it be Sri Lanka, China, Taiwan, Pakistan, Honduras or India. Conversely, i'll pay a premium for other foreign made product, namely, English made shoes, because I know my money is being well spent and it supports companies that hand-make their goods. it's about where your values lie.
     


  11. MikeDT

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    Could very well be low wage migrant Mexican labour, especially if it's apparel.


    You know your English shoes could have least been party made by low paid homeworkers, or even low paid migrant Indian or Polish workers in the factories.

    I wonder what the homeworking situation is like around the Northampton area, with footwear companies outsourcing certain aspects of the shoe making process? I used to be a homeworker in the United Kingdom, I know what it can be like.

    Basically employee exploitation can happen anywhere.
     
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  12. hoodyear

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    I find this kind of hyperbole tiresome, especially as it tends to come from those who, more often than not, have no actual experience in the matter. So I went ahead and dug some photos out of my phone of a couple of typical Chinese apparel factories.


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    Can you spot all the injustices?! I considered enumerating why these people really haven't got it all that bad, but the onus really isn't on me to do so.
     
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  13. gaseousclay

    gaseousclay Senior member

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    likewise, I find the defense of a country that is known to have poor labor and manufacturing standards a bit tiresome. just because your link doesn't show any children sewing Nike shoes doesn't mean their workers have a high standard of living. and let's be real, telling people your clothes are made in China doesn't exactly scream quality.
     


  14. pickpackpockpuck

    pickpackpockpuck Senior member

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    C'mon, it's not exactly a secret that lots of worker abuses have been recorded at factories in China. Not every Chinese factory is awful, but they do exist. That's why I phrased what I said up above in terms of likelihood.

    http://www.chinalaborwatch.org/index.html
    http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_40/b3701119.htm
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/business/worldbusiness/05sweatshop.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
     


  15. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I would pay a reasonable premium if the quality is as good or better. But, it really comes down to quality.
     


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