1. And... we're back. You'll notice that all of your images are back as well, as are our beloved emoticons, including the infamous :foo: We have also worked with our server folks and developers to fix the issues that were slowing down the site.

    There is still work to be done - the images in existing sigs are not yet linked, for example, and we are working on a way to get the images to load faster - which will improve the performance of the site, especially on the pages with a ton of images, and we will continue to work diligently on that and keep you updated.

    Cheers,

    Fok on behalf of the entire Styleforum team
    Dismiss Notice

How fat are you really?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by brescd01, Sep 25, 2004.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. brescd01

    brescd01 Senior member

    Messages:
    543
    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2004
    I noticed that the only fit problems people discuss is their washboard abs, muscular thighs, or amazing shoulders. Since this does not parallel my own experience, I thought a reality check was in order. Body Mass Index = height (in meters) divided by the square of your weight (in kilograms). Alternatively, it is your height in inches, divided by the square of your weight in pounds, all times 703.
     
  2. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member Affiliate Vendor

    Messages:
    2,959
    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2004
    Location:
    Back and Better Than Before
  3. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Senior member

    Messages:
    12,263
    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2004
    Location:
    Reagan Country (Massachusetts)
    Mine is 22.5, which is shocking to me because I'm tall (6'3.5") and pretty thin (180 lbs). I would have figured I'd be on the thin end of the normal range, but apparently not.
     
  4. marc237

    marc237 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,381
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2004
    David- Sorry, no. But I am not buying the premise and your description of the formula is in error. The body mass index (in non-metric measurements) is weight divided by height squared times 703. (Not the reverse as you have it.) Thus, using me as an example, 184 lb./5041 (71" x71") x 703 = 25.65 BMI. If I plug the same numbers into the handy calculator at http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/bmi/...i.htm#English, I get: 25.7 (close enough for government work). However, my dear doctor, as you know, BMI is not a very precise measure of "fat" for all. For example, let us assume a 5'10" 225 lb. athlete at 6% body-fat. His BMI is a whopping 32.3 (obese by this measure, but not by any other standard.) In any event, inasmuch as I pack a fair amount of muscle and have a lower body-fat % than most men my age, I am not prepared to correlate my BMI with fatness.
     
  5. AJL

    AJL Senior member

    Messages:
    2,626
    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2004
    to have a bmi under 15 I'd have to weigh 96 lbs. or less (@ 5' 7 1/2"). we're talking biafran/holocaust survivor/karen carpenter territory...
     
  6. housemaidsknee

    housemaidsknee Senior member

    Messages:
    205
    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2004
    that simple calculator is not all too accurate. i have one of those scales that measure body fat and it compares well with what my physician measures. i have found that when i went from 140 to 155 in the past few months, i have gone from 18% to 25%. the simple calculator here would put me at 22.6% initially and 25% now. so take these numbers with a pinch of salt. go see a doc or buy one of those scales - i have one made by tanita.
     
  7. Oltmann

    Oltmann Senior member

    Messages:
    186
    Joined:
    May 14, 2004
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    BMI is not intended to be a measurement of body fat.

    To really measure body fat in a way that is useful for comparison we all need to find hydrostatic weighing tanks. Body fat calipers and impedence scales are only accurate to +-4 points. I will note that they are still useful for relative measurements on a single individual.

    Maybe we should talk about what your "drop" is, from chest size to waist size.
     
  8. aybojs

    aybojs Senior member

    Messages:
    957
    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2002
    slim as a pole, too bad everybody cuts their clothes for you fatties and not me [​IMG]
     
  9. GSH1976

    GSH1976 Member

    Messages:
    7
    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2004
    Location:
    Delaware
    BMI does not take into account many things including your build. If you have broad shoulders for example you can expect to have a poor BMI despite what your actual body fat percentage may be.

    You could calculate your BMI index and then proceed to lose 10 lbs. of fat and gain 10 lbs. of muscle and guess what? Your BMI index will be the same.

    Completely worthless.
     
  10. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

    Messages:
    25,745
    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Location:
    Constantinople
    Even YSL, and Gucci don't always have 28 trousers in stock.
     
  11. FIHTies

    FIHTies Senior member Affiliate Vendor

    Messages:
    2,959
    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2004
    Location:
    Back and Better Than Before
    We will find you, and we will kill you... (Or at least give you a really painful wedgie, and pink belly...) [​IMG] JJF
     
  12. brescd01

    brescd01 Senior member

    Messages:
    543
    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2004
    I cannot believe I did that. When someone wrote me explaining my mistake, I did not even see the error. Of course it is weight divided by height squared.

    So far as its accuracy, it is what it is. For most people it is not useless, because most people do not spend hours in the gym.

    This is a young crowd: I am sorry we cannot do such a survey in AAAC.

    But if you think that your BMI is above thirty due to your Stallone-like muscles, you keep thinking that, until they intubate you and are about to pull the plug. Amazing how people distort reality to suit their own egos.
     
  13. dorian

    dorian Senior member

    Messages:
    518
    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2004
    Location:
    NYC/London
    David,

    I apparently have a 23.6, which seems odd to me since that number is in the upper range of "normal". I do not go to the gym much at all, am 6 feet, 174 pounds, have powerful legs and heavy bones.

    I am unsure exactly what I am getting at... other than the abover referenced index is a horrible measure.
     
  14. MPS

    MPS Senior member

    Messages:
    217
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Actually, the BMI is an incredibly useful index for most people - however, it does tend to fall down when applied to those with unusual builds (e.g. weightlifters). I'm afraid that the objectors don't really have a leg to stand on - there is a great deal of evidence suggesting that the BMI is a very useful index. Put frankly, I'd be more prepared to form an impression based upon BMI than on self-descriptions (body image often bears no resemblance to reality).

    I'm 6ft, I have a "medium" build (based on objective measurements), I take exercise 5 or 6 times a week and I do Wing Tsun Kung Fu. My BMI is 21.8, and my "drop" is 8.5 inches.
     
  15. Brian SD

    Brian SD Senior member

    Messages:
    9,760
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2004
    Location:
    Tokyo
    My BMI is 19.0, and my drop is 9". I am confused as to what BMI is supposed to represent here. I could see it being a measure of how stocky or large you are in proportion to height, but wouldn't body fat % be more useful?
     
  16. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

    Messages:
    13,141
    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2004
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    BMI can be a useful measure, but as others have measured, is somewhat less accurate for those who are in the gym quite a bit. My BMI is around 27, I'm 6'1 and a bit under 210. I have pretty big shoulders (21" or so) bench close to 400 and squat ~600. Although I may be able to lower my bf%, I think it would be difficult for me to lower my BMI unless I

    1: Grew a few inches

    2: Didn't lift for 3+ months, and dropped significant muscle mass.
     
  17. dorian

    dorian Senior member

    Messages:
    518
    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2004
    Location:
    NYC/London
    I still doubt that the index is accurate. My weight is only what it is from years and years of athletics and consequently a function of muscle. Yet, I am by no means a body builder (I wear a 38R/max 40R), and - in fact - people often say I am looking rather underweight right now. So, in my opinion, I find that the index seems to lack the ability to take into consideration unique body characteristics. But, hey, I'm not a medical professional... not at all. So what do I know anyway. [​IMG]
     
  18. brescd01

    brescd01 Senior member

    Messages:
    543
    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2004
    Thank you MPS. Sometimes I wonder whether I am going crazy or not.
     
  19. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

    Messages:
    33,427
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2002
    Location:
    Moscow, Idaho
    I'm in the gym a lot (5 days of the week, including 4 days lifting, and moderate to intense cardio each of those days besides.) I weigh 165-168 lbs (used to be in the 155-160 category unitl a few years ago) and am 5'11" but I know tons of people who are in much better shape than I am in and probably would be in the overweight category by this not particularly useful metric. I'm talking semiprofessional triatheletes, martial artists, and the like.
     
  20. MPS

    MPS Senior member

    Messages:
    217
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    I've seen a lot of good data to indicate that BMI correlates inversely to relative risk for a number of major diseases - the fact some instant experts know some fit people who they think might have a BMI of more than 25 does little to dissuade me of its merits. It works very well in the vast majority of cases.

    For all of the "thin" doubters out there who fall within the 20-24 range - calculate the body weight required to give you a BMI of 25 (i.e. just within the normal limits): how do you think you would you feel if you weighed this much?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by