its this attitude right here that has you working 90 hour weeks, its the "i know better then you, so fuck off" attitude that defeats you right off the bat. The negative attitude is really a defeated attitude, it took me a while to figure that out, but i'm glad i did. One thing you should understand is i'm not saying i know more then you, you appear to have something good going. I've had conversations with a man who makes nearly 200m/year during the time i was forming an idea for a product with him, and the astouding difference is that he never came accross with the condesending attitude alot of the unsuccessful have. I'm going out to dinner with a new partner tomorrow who is well on his way to the multimillion range, and he is the same way, very postive thinker. if you actually did want to chat, send me a PM i'd be glad to tell you exactly what i do. Am i going to post it on this board, no thanks. My F off attitude has nothing to do with the hours I work. It comes from the holier than thou attitude you possess and how you portray yourself. Do you think I didn't look at the posted link to one of your ventures? I did and well it was an interesting read, nothing more. You talk a good talk but what it all comes down to is a thing called a resume and past performance. Another thing is your inability to publicly speak about exactly what you do to earn a living. And that was done after you basically told a bunch of people here they were full of shit. If what you do is legit then why the fear? I have no problem doing so and I'll bet most of the people on this board don't either. Don't bore me with snide comments about people you rub shoulders with and how much money they have, especially in the context that somehow you got them there or were at least responsible for a significant percentage of their wealth. Piss in my Cheerios kid and I'll shit all over your dinner plate and I'll do it for fun much to your chagrin.