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How do you wear a necktie as a belt?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by JurassicJon, Sep 20, 2003.

  1. sleeper

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    I think this is only really appropriate for a gentleman if you are engaged in some form of sporting activity (e.g. the grandfather who was fishing). It looks just about OK with your white flannels while playing cricket, tennis, or croquet. Of course, it is advertising the fact that your trousers are too large, or that you can't afford a belt.

    It may look good on women, but that doesn't mean that we men should try it. Last time I wore a Chanel two-piece in public, I was laughed out of my club.
     
  2. AlanC

    AlanC Senior member

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    Please, scan it and post. I think we'd love to see it.
     
  3. Phil

    Phil Senior member

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    i would love to, but you are talking to someone who can barely turn on a computer. i dont have a scanner. can i take it to a kinkos and scan it?
     
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    two words:
    you don't
     
  5. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Senior member

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    yes, i believe kinko's will do that for you. they'll probably put it on a cd. --- boy, we are an opinionated bunch here aren't we? how about some pictures to support our points of view? either gentlemen looking good with a tie belt, or gentlemen looking ridiculous with one. i have no opinion on the matter yet, so i don't have to post anything. [​IMG] /andrew
     
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  7. sirgarnetwolseley

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    I know someone who wears skinny leather ties and looks good in them. The best I can manage is a knit-wool tie. Belt-ties are another matter though, I'm not sure they'd make an elegant knot.
     
  8. The Devil's Hands

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    Arise, Old Thread...

    A tie knot wouldn't be effective because it doesn't stand up to tension.

    In karate, we mainly used a square knot for our belts, but they went around twice. I've just never seen a tie-belt in real life. If someone could post an example, even if it is Carson Kressley...
     
  9. gorgekko

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    I always associated the "tie as belt" look with male prepsters. First mention of it I ever heard was in A Separate Peace by John Knowles. Phineas shows up to the headmaster's home for tea wearing the school tie as a belt. The headmaster was flustered but his wife thought it perfectly charming.

    At any rate, this thread is the first time I've ever heard the look referred to as feminine.

    I always wanted to try it myself but Eastern Europeans can rarely pass themselves off as entitled Northeastern preps [​IMG]
     
  10. Leaveitothexperts

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    In my mind, the question isn't "how" but rather "why?"

    Kai


    What he said. WHY???
     
  11. The Devil's Hands

    The Devil's Hands Senior member

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    I always wanted to try it myself but Eastern Europeans can rarely pass themselves off as entitled Northeastern preps [​IMG]

    So what? You can be the first. Astaire already broke ground with it, and he apparently made it look good. So you know it's possible.

    What he said. WHY???

    just for the sheer hell of it. I'll do it tonight when I go out, see what reaction I get.
     
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  13. Jovan

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    For what it's worth, Astaire is also pictured frequently wearing button down collar shirts with a tie pin AND a tie bar -- talk about overdone. Give me Cary Grant or Alphe Menjou any day. Will
    Why a tie pin and tie bar? Don't they both do the same thing? Hmm... I guess that's your point. Tie pins are bad for ties anyway. James Stewart wore a collar bar and tie bar together in Hitchcock's Vertigo, and it looked okay. There is a certain point though where too many accessories looks overdone and "affected" as we often say here. Honestly, if he had been wearing a waistcoat and pocket square it would be too much, even though I normally like those. Less is more, as they say. As for the tie as a belt, I don't like it. There are many things I am okay with -- among them buttondown collars being unfastened and trouser hems being slightly above the shoe -- but this just doesn't sit right with me.
     
  14. Thomas

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    So what? You can be the first....
    just for the sheer hell of it. I'll do it tonight when I go out, see what reaction I get.


    I am SO ambivalent about this statement...On the one hand I like being different, but on the other hand I can be such a coward. And then there's this indecisiveness that plagues me at the worst times...

    So, in summary, to get to the point and be brief about it and not beat around the bush, I say what the hell - go for it. Assuming you're on the young side. If you're 16-22, I think this will fly better than if you're - oh, mid-40's or so.

    I think at some point you'll decide that ties belong around your neck, and belts around your waist, and bedsheets with a tie around the waist aren't appropriate classroom attire (Especially if you're teaching!), but if you're not to that point already and are comfortable with the look in public, then give it a shot. You've got plenty of time to fall in line with the herd, you might as well march to your own drummer for a while and get a few good stories along the way. Be sure to smile and enjoy yourself.
     
  15. Artisan Fan

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    I think the case can be made that ties as belts is just wrong.
     
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    I think Will meant collar pin and tie clasp. That's not really a problem; I think those things can go well together. Where Astaire drifted into the overdone category was when he wore a collar pin with a buttondown collar.
     
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    If you grew up in Massachusetts, hung out with Kip, Cammie, and Kitty, and summered on the Cape, Nantucket, or the Vineyard, then the tie-as-belt is always en vogue.

    It provides a nice change from grosgrain or J.Press belts with spouting whales, crossed racquets, or mallard heads.

    I do agree, though, that it should be a tie you don't care about...they get pretty wrinkley around your waist.

    Ryan


    I grew up in Massachusetts, Martha's Vineyard to be exact, and, as far as I am concerned, a tie should always be a tie and should NEVER be confused with a belt. I've seen that "look" in magazines and in movies and it strikes me as a bit effete.
     
  18. cpac

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    two words:
    you don't


    I'd suggest the following two instead:

    with shame.
     
  19. The Devil's Hands

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    You've got plenty of time to fall in line with the herd, you might as well march to your own drummer for a while and get a few good stories along the way. Be sure to smile and enjoy yourself.

    I love this attitude. Bear in mind, I'm only 25, and I can't afford Andersen & Sheppard, Turnbull & Asser, Charvet, Lobb JS, etc. so I must express my creativity in an unusual, yet still tasteful mode of dress. I'm not entirely ready to join the navy-suited hordes, neither do I look to those of distressed denim, striped buttonups, and blown-out hair as kin.

    Last night I wore a navy Lacoste polo, yellow cotton trousers, and a navy/yellow-striped hilfiger tie, Which I tied with a sheet bend, wide-side pointing down:
    [​IMG]
    The tie matched the shirt and trouser colors exactly.

    I wore pre-SF cole-haan brown tasseled loafers, no socks.

    My friends didn't give me too much crap because they're used to my looks, but girls kept walking up and telling me they used to wear a tie as a belt, but they never saw a guy do it. I mentioned that it was a common look here in the NE, and that Astaire used to do it. I didn't get the feeling that anyone else thought I looked bad. Odd, maybe, but not bad.

    I thought it looked really good, to be honest. Very well coordinated. As with any outfit, you have to feel comfortable in it before you step outside. No amount of technical aesthetic proficiency can replace being secure that you look good. I wouldn't feel comfortable in a lot of those Trad things on AAAC, but they look good on certain people.

    You still have to have a minimal standard though. That's what I am here for.
     
  20. Jovan

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    I think Will meant collar pin and tie clasp. That's not really a problem; I think those things can go well together. Where Astaire drifted into the overdone category was when he wore a collar pin with a buttondown collar.
    By tie clasp you mean tie bar and collar pin you mean... wait, what is a collar pin?
     

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