disagree with others saying you should wear them low. Looks much better worn closer to the natural waist. Slouching only works with slim/skinny jeans - even then i don't really like the look. re the creases - the denim will stretch in the places where it's tight, and not stretch so much where it's loose. after all, isn't that the main point of raw denim, that it conforms to your body? 1stly, before slim/skinny, kids used to slouch baggy. 2ndly, KMW 1950s are 50's based cut which are usually worn a bit loose/comfort fit. 3rdly, Garmis' body type kinda skewed the proportion because of his large thighs and calves, as compared to his waist. hence, i suggested for him to size back up__ he downsized to a W32 ... you don't just downsize on these suckers. . with regards to the butt creasing on the 5000bk, he either size down from those or wear them a bit lower. they're no raw anymore [washed a couple of times] and no more shrinkage anywhere, so tendency of this vx denim at this point is to stretch out.