How do I fight a stop sign moving violation?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Davidko19, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. Davidko19

    Davidko19 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,411
    Likes Received:
    5
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2008
    Found out I got a $720 ticket!!! What to do?!?! Backstory: 1. "California Roll" / right hand turn through a stop sign without a complete stop. Its right next to my apt. and I havent done it in 6 years. Blew past it and Cop saw me clear as day. 24050 - Failure to stop at stop sign (Infraction) 2. I HAVE insurance, but didnt have the latest card with me. 16020 - No Insurance (Infraction) Cop said to me "I'll make a gentlemans deal with you since this is near your home... pay the bail in a month and ask for a COURT APPEARANCE approximately a month later. Two things will happen: I will either not be there because of vacation or whatever and you get off scott-free or I will show up to do other trials but when you see me at court remind me about this deal and Ill have them reduce the charges so its at least not on your record. You can do a trial by declaration but its a lot of paperwork and its not guaranteed..." Thinking (A) the insurance was correctable since I can provide current evidence and that (B) a stop sign fee would only be $100 or so I just said ok and went home. Just got my official letter in the mail that its $720 dollars!!! Seems very outrageous to me, right? My questions are: Should I do a trial by declaration and hope he doesnt reply or go straight to the in-person? What would my defense be for turning through a stop sign? Is the insurance a correctable if proven I was covered? Why are the tickets so DAMN HIGH?!!?
     


  2. yjeezle

    yjeezle Senior member

    Messages:
    1,698
    Likes Received:
    34
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2010
    Found out I got a $720 ticket!!! What to do?!?!

    Backstory:
    1. "California Roll" / right hand turn through a stop sign without a complete stop. Its right next to my apt. and I havent done it in 6 years. Blew past it and Cop saw me clear as day.

    24050 - Failure to stop at stop sign (Infraction)


    2. I HAVE insurance, but didnt have the latest card with me.

    16020 - No Insurance (Infraction)


    Cop said to me "I'll make a gentlemans deal with you since this is near your home... pay the bail in a month and ask for a COURT APPEARANCE approximately a month later. Two things will happen: I will either not be there because of vacation or whatever and you get off scott-free or I will show up to do other trials but when you see me at court remind me about this deal and Ill have them reduce the charges so its at least not on your record. You can do a trial by declaration but its a lot of paperwork and its not guaranteed..."

    Thinking (A) the insurance was correctable since I can provide current evidence and that (B) a stop sign fee would only be $100 or so I just said ok and went home. Just got my official letter in the mail that its $720 dollars!!! Seems very outrageous to me, right?


    My questions are:
    Should I do a trial by declaration and hope he doesnt reply or go straight to the in-person?
    What would my defense be for turning through a stop sign?
    Is the insurance a correctable if proven I was covered?
    Why are the tickets so DAMN HIGH?!!?


    I can't answer any of the questions with 100% certainty other than this one:

    Why are the tickets so DAMN HIGH?!!?
    - so that it'll make you abide by the law. it'll make you think twice before running a stop sign ever.
     


  3. erdawe

    erdawe Senior member

    Messages:
    2,121
    Likes Received:
    15
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Location:
    TBA
    CA like their taxes sure enough.

    That sound very high for everything including the stop sign, $100 alone would be less than a speeding infraction for 20+ miles over here.
     


  4. Davidko19

    Davidko19 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,411
    Likes Received:
    5
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2008
    $700 is the cost for bail for a misdemeanor assault or something, not rolling through a stop sign in your neighborhood. I expected $100-$200 at MOST, which is reasonable. $700 is egregious.

    My hope is they drop the insurance since I had it and reduce the fees for the stop sign and bring it down to 2 or 3 bills.

    ACTUALLY, my HOPE is the cop just doesnt show up...[​IMG]
     


  5. suited

    suited Senior member

    Messages:
    6,681
    Likes Received:
    2,953
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2008
    $700 is the cost for bail for a misdemeanor assault or something, not rolling through a stop sign in your neighborhood. I expected $100-$200 at MOST, which is reasonable. $700 is egregious.

    My hope is they drop the insurance since I had it and reduce the fees for the stop sign and bring it down to 2 or 3 bills.

    ACTUALLY, my HOPE is the cop just doesnt show up...[​IMG]


    Reschedule your appearance shortly before the date. This increases the chance that he will not show up by tenfold. As much as I've heard this, I'd expect it to be a wives tale - but I've had more than one officer tell me this.
     


  6. blahman

    blahman Senior member

    Messages:
    4,559
    Likes Received:
    371
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2010
    Location:
    3rd Rock From the Sun
    Reschedule your appearance shortly before the date. This increases the chance that he will not show up by tenfold. As much as I've heard this, I'd expect it to be a wives tale - but I've had more than one officer tell me this.

    That's all sorts of weird to me. Why would a cop bother to stop you and give you a ticket but not show up, when he could have not bother stopping you at all.
     


  7. b.boris52

    b.boris52 Member

    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2011


  8. taxgenius

    taxgenius Senior member

    Messages:
    4,870
    Likes Received:
    304
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2007
    That's all sorts of weird to me. Why would a cop bother to stop you and give you a ticket but not show up, when he could have not bother stopping you at all.

    The former affects his quota, the latter does not.
     


  9. munchausen

    munchausen Senior member

    Messages:
    8,190
    Likes Received:
    2,222
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    If you're in a big city, find the best ticket lawyer in town. Generally that's like finding the least smelly septic tank but all you need him to do is keep deadlines. He can probably get the ticket thrown out or at least get your fines reduced. If you're in the suburbs then you might have more of a problem, in which case you pay.

    The insurance ticket can, in most jurisdictions, be thrown out if you bring your insurance card to the courthouse. You probably have to pay a 10 or 20 dollar admin fee.
     


  10. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

    Messages:
    27,426
    Likes Received:
    7,614
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Location:
    NE PA
    I can't answer any of the questions with 100% certainty other than this one:

    Why are the tickets so DAMN HIGH?!!?
    - so that it'll make you abide by the law. it'll make you think twice before running a stop sign ever.


    Lol, no. The tickets are so high to generate revenue.
     


  11. Threak

    Threak Senior member

    Messages:
    1,118
    Likes Received:
    3
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2009
    My hope is they drop the insurance since I had it and reduce the fees for the stop sign and bring it down to 2 or 3 bills.

    That's about right. I've seen No Proof of Insurance violations be as high as $700+ on their own, but filing a copy with the court clerk will reduce it to a proof-of-correction fee of maybe $50. The stop sign is a moving violation, so it's a point unless you go to traffic school. You don't need a court date for either of these things.

    Or you can try fighting it.
     


  12. munchausen

    munchausen Senior member

    Messages:
    8,190
    Likes Received:
    2,222
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Lol, no. The tickets are so high to generate revenue.

    yes
     


  13. Joffrey

    Joffrey Senior member

    Messages:
    11,472
    Likes Received:
    599
    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Location:
    Pennsylvania Ave/Connecticut Ave
    Reschedule your appearance shortly before the date. This increases the chance that he will not show up by tenfold. As much as I've heard this, I'd expect it to be a wives tale - but I've had more than one officer tell me this.

    I rescheduled a moving violation for a $300 ticket 2-3 times pushing my court date to 6 months after the fact. I go to court, and the fucking cop shows. But I was in bumfuck maryland. So he likely had little else to do.
     


  14. Davidko19

    Davidko19 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,411
    Likes Received:
    5
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2008
    SWEET. MY THREAK GOT SPAMMED.


    I will try fighting it but I have no valid defense - what should I use? Or should I go with a simple "No I didnt" and make him prove the case, since the burden is on him?

    BTW: I went to the stop and the sign is clear as day, the cop had an unobstructed view, camera wouldve been pointed straight ahead and there were 2 cops in the car, which makes me think at least one of them would show.

    I can do a written declaration but think he might try to fuck me over from our "gentlemans agreement" since I made him do extra work with the small chance that neither him or his partner would show.
     


  15. MyOtherLife

    MyOtherLife Senior member

    Messages:
    6,501
    Likes Received:
    475
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2009
    Location:
    The Arena - Centerfield
    The former affects his quota, the latter does not.

    [​IMG]
     


Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by