# How big do you think this lapel width is?

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#### teknique22

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It's either 3.5 or 3 3/4". judging by him it's 3.5 (if he's a 36) which is getting a bit wide these days for that size. This lapel has a half notch as well which makes it look more expressive.
David - any insight into if you can create a blazer with similar lapels? I'm talking same gorge, half notch, and 3.5-3.75in width? HOw much would this cost roughly? Thanks! I'm in NYC...

#### Despos

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Quote: Looks closer to 3.75, than 3.5, especially the Tom Ford jacket. The gorge angle will contribute to how wide the lapel will look. Shia's gorge line angles upwards from the notch point towards the neck. More Italian nature. The more horizontal the gorge line is the wider the lapel will look. The distance from the upper corner/edge of the lapel to the point the collar starts can also be adjusted to balance the look of the lapel width. It's simple to control if you comprehend the effect of the variables. Sometimes I do 3 5/8" lapels

If you are going MTM don't try to adjust these points, find a model that corresponds to the look you want.

#### teknique22

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Looks closer to 3.75, than 3.5, especially the Tom Ford jacket. The gorge angle will contribute to how wide the lapel will look. Shia's gorge line angles upwards from the notch point towards the neck. More Italian nature. The more horizontal the gorge line is the wider the lapel will look. The distance from the upper corner/edge of the lapel to the point the collar starts can also be adjusted to balance the look of the lapel width. It's simple to control if you comprehend the effect of the variables. Sometimes I do 3 5/8" lapels

If you are going MTM don't try to adjust these points, find a model that corresponds to the look you want.

Do you mean both look closer to 3.75in? And what do you mean by "if you're going MTM do not try to adjust these points"? What should I not try to adjust?

Thanks!

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#### Despos

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Yes, they look like 3.75. Shia's could be less in relation to his chest size but I'm not sure.

MTM uses block patterns and shapers. It is better to stick with their standard way of doing things for the best result rather than start to specify gorge height and angles. Just pick the lapel width you want and let them do the rest.

#### teknique22

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Looks closer to 3.75, than 3.5, especially the Tom Ford jacket. The gorge angle will contribute to how wide the lapel will look. Shia's gorge line angles upwards from the notch point towards the neck. More Italian nature. The more horizontal the gorge line is the wider the lapel will look. The distance from the upper corner/edge of the lapel to the point the collar starts can also be adjusted to balance the look of the lapel width. It's simple to control if you comprehend the effect of the variables. Sometimes I do 3 5/8" lapels

If you are going MTM don't try to adjust these points, find a model that corresponds to the look you want.

Yes, they look like 3.75. Shia's could be less in relation to his chest size but I'm not sure.

MTM uses block patterns and shapers. It is better to stick with their standard way of doing things for the best result rather than start to specify gorge height and angles. Just pick the lapel width you want and let them do the rest.
Thanks. Where are you located and do you know any tailors who are able to craft something similar to Shia's?

Thanks

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#### Despos

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There is nothing special about his styling. Anybody should come close to replicating this.

#### LA Guy

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Do you mean both look closer to 3.75in? And what do you mean by "if you're going MTM do not try to adjust these points"? What should I not try to adjust?

Thanks!
Yes, they look like 3.75. Shia's could be less in relation to his chest size but I'm not sure.

MTM uses block patterns and shapers. It is better to stick with their standard way of doing things for the best result rather than start to specify gorge height and angles. Just pick the lapel width you want and let them do the rest.
Thanks. Where are you located and do you know any tailors who are able to craft something similar to Shia's?

Thanks
There is nothing special about his styling. Anybody should come close to replicating this.

If you are going to take anyone's advice, please take @Despos 's. He is a custom tailor of some repute in Chicago (look up "Despos chicago), and as such, has decades more experience and expertise than the rest of us. I always listen to my tailor about tailoring issues, especially technical ones like this one.

#### Despos

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LA Guy,

You are very kind sir!

#### LA Guy

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LA Guy,

You are very kind sir!
Thanks Chris.

Incidentally, am I right about the half notch being somewhere between a full notch lapel and a "fishmouth" notch?

Cheers,

Fok.

#### Despos

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You very well may be correct. I don't really know what half notch means; first time I have ever seen or heard this term used

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