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Hotel tipping

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by LongWing, Apr 21, 2005.

  1. Drew

    Drew Well-Known Member

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    Waiters in Mc Donalds, don't have any tip.
    They are not waiters.

    They do the same job.

    No they don't. They are more like clerks in a shop. Waiters are there through your meal. K
    Waiter are clerks in a shop selling food. Guys in fast food bring you your food from the kitchen like waiters. They only walk less (what is worse for legs) and make a more boring job than waiters. So if waiters are tiped, why wouldn't the employee of Mac Donald's be too ?
    Wow, that's ignorant. Just because they're selling food means that the job is the same? What about a fry cook and a pastry chef? Are these jobs also the same? The counter person at McDonald's takes one customer at a time. Servers take multiple tables of multiple people at the same time. Serving a meal is a much longer and more intensive transaction from greeting the table, to order-taking, coursings, and everything else between that and the time said party leaves the restaurant. The average length of a transaction at a fast food restaurant is the couple of minutes it takes from ordering food to the receipt of said food. Serving is a skilled service occupation, meaning it requires experience (varying degree depending on the establishment) while working in the fast food industry is regarded as a lowest-of-the-low entry-level job that, unless you're a manager, you really can't make a living wage. These days in the States, some cafes and sandwich shops have tip jars on the counter which presents a much more informal and voluntary opportunity to leave a tip. I will generally leave the change from my order, or a dollar and the change at the places at which I am a regular. European culture is drastically different than US culture, and as a result the expectations and demands of a restaurant are also drastically different. Regardless on what side of the pond you find yourself on, however, waiters and fast-food employees can not and should not be equated.
     
  2. hopkins_student

    hopkins_student Senior member

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    You should certainly go try the cakebatter ice cream with brownie mixed in. I'm pretty sure they put heroin in the ice cream.
     
  3. Drew

    Drew Well-Known Member

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    Coldstone isn't what I'd call pretentious, although they're really good.
     
  4. ernest

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    Also because they just do a job in which they don't have to think very much...

    Both are lowest of the low jobs.

    The chef is a cook, he stupied cooking for many years and he creates something, an important added value you couldn't make yourself.

    The fry cook (i guess you are talking about guys dealing with frozen food they just warm up) is not a cook.
    Moreover, both of them have only a salary and neither the chief nor the cook have not any tip.

    Your argument is not relevant for 2 reasons =

    1) The counter may take orders of 2 peoples in the same time (same bill)  and may have to deal with a lag between the moment he forwarded the order to the "kitchen" (when something is missing = very often) and the moment he serves the client. In the meantime, he takes the order of second client.

    2) Dealing with 1 or 5 tables or no table  at all doesn"t change the job itself  =
    noting an order,
    carrying the ordered food from the kitchen to the client,
    giving a bill,
    taking the money,
    giving the change.


    That's why we shoudn't tip them...??? To keep them poor?

    And? how long is the transaction when you order a drink in a bar? Not longer than in a fast food. So you don't tip?

    If the average transaction is not long, it doesn't mean the guy work less. He just must be faster and serve 5 times more clients in the same time.

    Most of waiters are not more educated than people working in fast foods. Of course if you talk about waiters in *** restaurants with menu of $300, they are not the same as people in fast foods because they must be well dressed, speak well, be aware of the food they serve, advice the client about food, behave in a special way... And in these restaurants, waiters are well paid. They don't need tips to make a living.

    Waiters in most of normal restaurants ($30 euros menu) are rather poorly dressed (no uniform), speaks bad (in the US = they introduces themself as if your were friend), have no idea about the food they sell, walk like a cowboy, never bring you more tap water or bread unless you ask...
     
  5. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Ernest is stingy, and doesn't want to pay more than the absolute minimum, even when good manners dictate that he *should*.

    All the arguments he has made in this thread are nothing more than self-justifications, all the other points tangential, and his viewpoints do not merit any more of anyone else's opinion, imo.
     
  6. philosophe

    philosophe Senior member

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    Nicely put.
     
  7. ernest

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    What good manners? The ones which make you behave like a robot or a slave of the maintream, of the politicaly correct, following  stupid rules even when you don't like them  and when they are against your own interest .?

    The ones which say you must pay for the meal of the girl, tip the waiter?

    What are you without your money?  Girls will not eat with you and waiters will spit in your plate if you don't tip ?

    Are all your good manners connected with money?

    May be you like to be dictated to avoid thinking by yourself?

    The fact is tiping people as if they wera begglar or you servant is not respecting them.

    May be you do this to show people that you have money and so that you may worth more than you seemed  to worth during the conversation ? To impress them with your money as you can not impress anybody with your personality ?


    As you are not stingy, you could send me $10 for all the time I spend talking to you ? Some sort of tip. ok?
     
  8. jmswentworth

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    I think you are forgetting that in Europe, a tip still holds true to its name. If you experienced good service, only then would even the waiter expect a tip, not like America. Ernest is not the revolutionary that he is making himself out to be. On the other hand, not paying for a girl on a date is revolutionary; that is to say if he manages to get away with it, and speaks to the girl again after.
     
  9. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    This coming from someone who

    1)  Criticizes a girl for making a sandwich.
    2)  Comes out roaring against Rolex, and then decides he needs to buy one for status reasons (see related posts to this effect).
    3)  Thinks that all jeans except for Levi's 501 are for stupid fashionistas (notice that he knows nothing about denim, nor even knew that Levis Europe and Levi's USA are different companies,) who's very first posts to this forum were about how wearing patterns with stripes were against the *rules*.  This seems like mindless adherence to rules to me.  (Note that this is not a knock against Manton, who, unlike Ernest, seems to actually enjoy reading books and does not come out swinging about things he knows nothing about.)
    4)  Asks strangers over the net for money and services for no services rendered, and is content to let the French people support his lifestyle - that to me is a beggar.
    5)  Has impressed everybody on the forum by his personality, wealth of knowledge, and general acumen.

    BTW, ernest, you post because you *want* to.  Yesterday, I had to take my time to moderate/delete/edit your posts because they broke the rules of the forum because I *had* to.  For services rendered, and considering my expertise and opportunity time lost, consider this an invoice to the amount of 100 Euros, to be remitted immediately to j via PayPal.  I'll get the money from him.  Thanks.
     
  10. ernest

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    Did I make something?


    I don't date homeless girls so they can pay for their own needs.

    So you need to pay to have a girl?

    When i was talking to my girl on the net, i didn't know what she looked like. She suggested to meet each other and to have a drink in a Palace.

    I told her it was too expensive and that she should invite me because I didn't want to pay $6 euros for a coke.

    We have been together for 3.5 years. Is it enough to say I got away with it ?

    I have almost never invited her anywhere, I don't make her expensive gifts.

    I must admit that when i lend her money to buy some clothes, I don't charge her any interest rate. Do you think she stays with me because of this?

    An frankly, she looks better and is much more intelligent and sweeter than 80% of the girls that most of men dated in their all life.

    How do you explain this?
     
  11. jmswentworth

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  12. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Easily.  The rest of us only date poor, ugly, greedy, stupid, homeless women.
     
  13. ernest

    ernest Senior member

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    Nobody obliged you to be a morderator. If it is too complicated for you, resign. At least beeing moderator gives you something to say on the board.

    I never ask for the "stupid" moderation of a guy obsessed with
    "The rules" and "the good manners" so I have no reason to tip you.

    I expected a reply connected with the topic, not a sum up of my background on the board...


    What is the link with the topic ?

    the topic = tiping  a waiter or inviting a date just to stick to good manners = the proof of (and/or) :

    - a lack of personnality
    - a poor self confidence
    - a poor critical and very conservative mind


    I don't tip people who sell me the Rolex nor do i with people who see it on my wrist.

    I didn't only talk about status reasons, look better.

    You never change your mind about an item?

    What a shame. But during my dates, I hide these weak points about my personality.

    The rules of how to match patterns is just a question of common sens, of geometrical harmony. As you will not match a grey suit with brown shoes, white tie, yellow socks, and a red shirt.

    This is not a social ruleas nobody cares about your patterns.

    I rended a service to these strangers as I talk to them on the forum. They talk about me, quote me, repeat my words. And some even send me private messages as they were worried  because i wasn't posting anymore on the forum.
    So we could say I brought some fun, some pleasure in their lifes. It is normal to pay people who brought you some pleasure, some fun. Isn't it?

    The money I was asking ($100 000 $ much more than a tip) was to make fun of someone who was obviously a pathological liar. If you didn't understand this, you are more stupid that I thought you were.

    I have met  people from the forum. Some of them are good friends now.

    The forum? As life sums up to the forum, from the forum   =

    Who did you met from the forum?
    Who does think you are someone interesting to meet?
    What people send to you as a gift because they liked you?  
    Who tried to seduce you?
    Who invited you to come and sleep at his house?
     
  14. ernest

    ernest Senior member

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    How do you explain this?
    Easily. Â The rest of us only date poor, ugly, greedy, stupid, homeless women.
    I know this but the 2 questions remain = why are you upset when you don't tip? why do you pay for your dates?
     
  15. ernest

    ernest Senior member

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    ?

    When will we meet in your 400m² apartement in Paris?

    Could i come with my girlfriend ?

    Sure we could talk about how to dress for your next party at the White House...
     
  16. ernest

    ernest Senior member

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    As LA has no balls, here is his private reply to my questions =


    Posted: May 16 2005,21:08


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    Don't really feel like answering these questions on the forum, so:
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    Who did you met from the forum?


    About a doxen members from Boston, about the same in LA region.
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    Who does think you are someone interesting to meet?


    Numerous NYC and DC members, as well as some from Europe.
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    What people send to you as a gift because they liked you?


    About half a dozen.
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    Who tried to seduce you?


    One. I think it was genuinely a woman too. In any case, I have a fiancee.
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    Who invited you to come and sleep at his house?


    Granted, none so far.

    Fok.


    And the further dialogue =


    Not really into competing with you on the forum, ernest.

    I am really not jealous of you, nor am I starved for your approval nor for social approval in general.

    Perhaps your misunderstanding of my simultaneous amusement and exasperation with you stems from your inability to read the into the nuances of the English language, for which I can hardly blame you since your English is superior to my French.

    Fok.


    Last PM from me, unless of course you break the rules of the forum.

    I really feel no need to compete with you on the forum. That there is an entire thread devoted to making fun of you should be evidence enough of *why* I don't need to compete with you.

    What I mean by "I don't blame you" is in the context that I understand that you do not understand that people are making fun of you.

    One last thing. You are allowed to say what you wish, but I (and Brian and Steve and j., will edit your posts if they contain invective or innappropriate language)

    Have fun on the forum ernest. People enjoy your presence, although I am not convinced that you understand altogether why.

    Fok.


    Very involved moderator, isn't he?
     
  17. scnupe7

    scnupe7 Senior member

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    This guy is absolutely amazing...
     
  18. PeterMetro

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    You kill me. You really do.
     
  19. Fabienne

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    Ernest, you beat your own records. Appalling.
     

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