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Summer evening mood.

Suit: Belvest
Shirt: Bespoke (Götrich 1730)
Tie: Sam Hober
PS: Vanda
Shoes: EG
Shades: Garrett Leight
 

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More good stuff B!
I saw some similar chukkas in Meermin and I’ve been contemplating them but not sure how much use I’d get from them.
I also have similar orange / rust strides, I wear mine with similar chunky longwings in burgundy.

Keep ‘em coming!
Thanks TWD! Get those chukkas, they are very versatile
 

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@Alan Bee

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am relieved by your acknowledgment that I indeed attempted to start a debate and not simply defend my fit.

If you want to debate with me, please be reassured that my goal will be to converge to precise statements regarding menswear, and nothing more. I have no intention to troll because I share, as do others, an immense respect for you.

On my original proposition, I feel that the forum can provide a lot of value to its members if we can clarify the distinction between what is objectively wrong, what is aesthetically displeasing, and what is idiosyncratic. Our disagreement comes, and you can correct me if I am wrong, from you declaring it objectively wrong instead of putting into the more sensible aesthetically displeasing category.

You are correct that my style is idiosyncratic. I am also non-conformist (to a degree). So that all plays into my wardrobe decisions. If I can tastefully break the rules I will, more often than not, do it. I have my own approach, which can certainly be improved. The fit is simply the outcome of my decision-making process. Feel free to criticize everything about my fits in a manner as curt as you see fit (nobody here can be more nasty than reviewer #2 on an academic paper). But I feel that without you understanding a bit where I come from we end up talking past each other.

As for Naples, there is nothing wrong with the city per se. It is all about opportunity costs and distinct sets of preferences. Anytime one travels to a place it is missing on the opportunity of going anywhere else. Naples is a great city, and I love Italy so much that I plan to retire there. But as I joked with a friend, it will take me 40 years going to the country 3 times a year to start getting to know all its cool places.

If I am not mistaken, we are both in Finance. I am in academia and you are in industry. We both seem to be successful. But I chose academia for the freedom it gives me. I spend a sizable chunk of the year traveling, as I can write anywhere. In a world where fun places are infinite, any city has to be truly special for me to continuously come back to it. Naples does not fall into that category for me. But I wrote the original paragraph a bit tongue-in-cheek. I do hope you enjoyed everything that Naples has to offer besides its awesome tailoring services.
@bernoulli

Thank you for a very thoughtful response. I will say again, you seem the type I'd love more than anything to engage over a cigar and a glass of choice beverage. But shall we leave that for when I'm back in NYC? (where I presume you live).

Now, group-hug everyone?? And do smile for the camera :-D @DiplomaticTies @themanfromLisbon @DonCologne @1st Step @Michael81 and all other contributors to @themanfromLisbon (admitted & acquitted) gaffe.

@bernoulli
Sir, may I call you Ben? I am not going to test the debating skills of an academic, that's a 99-1 odds (loosing) bet. But what I'm going to attempt to do (over the coming fit entries) is show by example why "Full Cut, High Rise" trousers flatter almost everyone, from the short and wiry, to the tall and girthy.

Dress has always been about proportion and bio-mechanics of the human body - Male in this instance. The human body hasn't changed since the invention of the lounge suit (and proper trousers that go with it). @themanfromLisbon may derisively refer to them as "dead mens clothes" but theres a reason why they were invented that way in the first place. What is fashionable is almost in fact never what is right. Fashion (like skinny pants strangled at the ankles) is almost always rebellion just for the sake of it. So yes, do wear your Italian drain pipes all you like but I would wager you are shortchanging yourself (stylistically at least).

There are reasons why "rules" and "theories" exist. Of course dress rules aren't quite maxims in the same way that say, E=mc2, and do not imply forfeiture of artistic or creative license. But you also enjoy that franchise of liberty at the risk of coming out looking foolish if you don't know, or fail to acknowledge rules. What was it they said about liberty again??

"Eternal Vigilance is the price of Liberty"

Alan Bee
 
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"I'm not going to test the debating skills of an academic" *immediately launches into a debate with an academic*

In all seriousness, though, Alan, I think you've made your preference quite clear. There's really no need to harp on about it. And to be clear, it is a preference.

The only thing we can objectively say in this discussion, is that it is objectively true that clothes respond differently to different body types. It is objectively true that Bernouli's trousers drape a hell of a lot better than any of my own experiments with slim trousers, for example. And as you may recall, I am also fairly tall and slim. However, like you, my exercise routine includes a lot of deadlifting and squatting, with the obvious result being that slim fitting trousers drape poorly and look out of proportion. But that is not the case at all with Bernouli's trousers. Would a fuller trouser achieve a more pronounced drape in his case? Yes. But if he considers the drape and fit of the current example under the microscope satisfactory, who are you to tell him otherwise? He's a seasoned dresser with his own preferences. You have good taste, but that does not make you the sole arbiter of good taste.
 

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"I'm not going to test the debating skills of an academic" *immediately launches into a debate with an academic*

In all seriousness, though, Alan, I think you've made your preference quite clear. There's really no need to harp on about it. And to be clear, it is a preference.

The only thing we can objectively say in this discussion, is that it is objectively true that clothes respond differently to different body types. It is objectively true that Bernouli's trousers drape a hell of a lot better than any of my own experiments with slim trousers, for example. And as you may recall, I am also fairly tall and slim. However, like you, my exercise routine includes a lot of deadlifting and squatting, with the obvious result being that slim fitting trousers drape poorly and look out of proportion. But that is not the case at all with Bernouli's trousers. Would a fuller trouser achieve a more pronounced drape in his case? Yes. But if he considers the drape and fit of the current example under the microscope satisfactory, who are you to tell him otherwise? He's a seasoned dresser with his own preferences. You have good taste, but that does not make you the sole arbiter of good taste.
"I'm not going to test the debating skills of an academic" *immediately launches into a debate with an academic*

How is it these Europeans still do not understand naked irony? :hide:

Alan Bee
 

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You should try being more self aware before working up your way to irony.
 

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You should try being more self aware before working up your way to irony.
Why do I always feel like Attila the Hun after an exchange with you Michael? I thought we buried the hatchet what, about a year ago? :rolleyes2:

Lighten up man ....

Alan Bee
 

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You obviously missed the lighthearted tone of that jab, Alan. Maybe you should take your own advice. At the very least you could have read the rest of my post before jumping to conclusions. The very next sentence began with "In all seriousness". This suggests that the preceding sentence was not to be taken seriously.

Jokes are a lot less funny when you have to explain them.
 

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