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HOF: What Are You Wearing Right Now - Part IV (starting May 2014)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, May 21, 2014.

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  1. 7_rocket

    7_rocket Senior member

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    I don't post often in here simply because I don't wear suits to work but I do try to post when I'm wearing a suit.

    I recall some time ago someone posted a picture and they got ridiculed Honestly some of the posters here are very pretentious.

    But thankfully most of the time people here are helpful and I've learned alot from reading
     
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  2. DiplomaticTies

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    I agree with most of what you wrote but you also walk right into what I think is one of the main problems: there are no fixed principles of dress. Some people here write comments like they were dishing out scientific truths, where there are no such truths to be had. What we have (at best) is experience which can lead to good advice. It is also good to have someone from outside who can notice things you don't notice yourself. That kind of advice is the reason I post. But that's as far as it goes. Someone telling me that a certain look doesn't really work and who also can back that up with a few good arguments and observations, that's really valuable. Someone saying that you are plain wrong in doing a certain thing, that's neither helpful nor true. Just by reading posts in this forum for a couple of months I have already noticed that there are fundamentally different views on fit, especially between the americans and the europeans on this forum. That's a question of taste, tradition and fashion, not subject to any fixed principles.

    I also think we should be careful to assume that people who are new to this forum are necessarily new to menswear. I'm not saying that is what you write, but from some of the comments in this forum I would certainly draw that conclusion.
     
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  3. Academic2

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    Oh, I think there are, but one needs to be clear about the meaning of 'principle' in different contexts. I have in mind, for example, the various optical illusions that have been the foundation of tailoring for a very long time, like the effect of buttoning point on the apparent height of the wearer, the effect of roped shoulders on perceived shoulder width, and so forth. These are pretty objective considerations since they’re rooted in optics and psychology, which is to say they’re not mere social constructions.

    Among those things which are social constructions, some I agree are wholly arbitrary (I can’t think of any good reason why black grenadine ties should look funereal, say) while some are a consequence of function (action backs evolved to allow free motion of the arms when engaged in outdoor sports like shooting, and thus would be perceived by most of us as odd in a three piece pinstripe business suit intended for office wear) and some a convention based on historical happenstance (there's nothing intrinsically horsey about Tattersal, but at this point in history the association is there because of its origin). And there are arguably rational grounds for talking about seasonal and other sorts of consistencies too (we’d all agree that wearing a winter overcoat up top and Bermuda shorts and sandals below would look strange because of the seasonal dissonance; similarly, I think, for at least some aspects of the city/country continuum).

    Cheers,

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  4. EFV

    EFV Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Post Christmas shopping. Bought another newsboy cap:

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    Killer scarf @EFV
     
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    Reminds me that I need to get another one. Damn you. :)
     
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    Hey guys I don't see many bowties here... Any reason for this?
     
  10. ericgereghty

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    In my mind, they can come off very costumey, outside of black tie settings...
     
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  11. Academic2

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    To be honest, I don’t see many in real life, though that probably depends on where you live and your profession.

    Two regular posters to this thread who come to mind as wearing them from time to time are @An Acute Style and @clarinetplayer .

    EDIT: Can't believe I almost forgot @upr_crust

    No doubt there are others.

    Cheers,

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    I love the bright, sharp blue in this tie.
     
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    From Christmas morn
     
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    The association in people's minds of bow ties with old-time professors in academe is probably why they are perceived as being "costumey" - they, for the most part, have fallen out of favor with the general public. Also, many (including myself, until fairly recently) have a mental block about how to properly tie a bow tie - a four-in-hand is easier to learn to tie than is a bow tie, and these days, there are great swathes of the general public who have never been taught how to tie a four-in-hand either.
     
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  15. Academic2

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    Excess fabric in the back causing bunching; really bad shoulder divot; perhaps a bit too much waist suppression but hard to tell at this angle. Also not enough contrast; perhaps a lighter but strongly patterned herringbone?

    EDIT: Pixelated the face. Dogs can be sensitive about their public images.

    Cheers,

    Ac ([​IMG])
     
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  16. DiplomaticTies

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    Oh, I think there are, but one needs to be clear about the meaning of 'principle' in different contexts.  I have in mind, for example, the various optical illusions that have been the foundation of tailoring for a very long time, like the effect of buttoning point on the apparent height of the wearer, the effect of roped shoulders on perceived shoulder width, and so forth.  These are pretty objective considerations since they’re rooted in optics and psychology, which is to say they’re not mere social constructions.

    Among those things which are social constructions, some I agree are wholly arbitrary (I can’t think of any good reason why black grenadine ties should look funereal, say) while some are a consequence of function (action backs evolved to allow free motion of the arms when engaged in outdoor sports like shooting, and thus would be perceived by most of us as odd in a three piece pinstripe business suit intended for office wear) and some a convention based on historical happenstance (there's nothing intrinsically horsey about Tattersal, but at this point in history the association is there because of its origin).    And there are arguably rational grounds for talking about seasonal and other sorts of consistencies too (we’d all agree that wearing a winter overcoat up top and Bermuda shorts and sandals below would look strange because of the seasonal dissonance; similarly, I think, for at least some aspects of the city/country continuum). 

    Cheers,

    Ac

    Dont think we disagree to a large extent. And I would certainly welcome comments along those lines (rather than, say, "burn that shirt"!). But I would dispute that there are objective considerations. Certainly menswear tailoring is built around some of those, but they change with times and fashion as well. Look at the very long jackets of the 20s, the low button stance of the 70s or the exaggerated shoulders of the 80s. Those trends influenced traditional menswear tailoring as well. Everybody who has thrifted a 70s suit know that you need a trip to the tailor before you can wear it. I'm sure that the unstructured jackets with a relatively high buttoning that we have seen so much for the last 8-10 years will be a time marker in the future.

    That's why it is so much more helpful, not to mention plain civilised, to see those in the forum who post comment along the lines of "I think that works/does not work on you and here are some reasons why...", rather than comments that basically says that you are wrong and should learn to do right.
     
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  17. EFV

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    Yes, it's a few sizes too big, but she's got a problematic body type (which she is very aware of thank you). She's been thinking about going bespoke, but I have urged her to get the basics right before pulling the trigger.
     
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    A cold & blustery day.
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    Sleeves are a touch long, but eh...
     
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  19. Chulillo

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    Stunning outfit, mate. I really, really like it. Long sleeves and all! [​IMG]
     
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    Fully awesome.
     
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