Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, May 21, 2014.
Well, looks like it worked out for you! See gentlemen, the dividends of a well tied tie . . .
What kind of suit is that? It's beautiful.
Who forced you into wearing a suit, Clags? Gimme their contact info so I can get them to pressure you more often.
Haha. Great! This made my day
Claghorn is correct. There are so many ties out there that you would be limiting your options as a short person if you opted to not tuck the back blade.
Take the case of Japan, where most people ned a tie of length sub-142cm, but ties from overseas makers are imported as-is, so you end up with a super long tie and a foregone necessity to tuck.
I think posters are confusing tucking the front blade (something to do when eating a sandwich) versus the back, which has specific functional purpose.
not worth it.
The short person tie option that I use (when needed)........
I personally dislike tucking the front blade in the pants, but I don't see what objection anyone can have to what happens to the back blade (just so long as it is not visible)
The thing is, the shaping and thickness of the interlining precisely at the knot is very deliberate, so when you start layering up the fabric and creating thicker knots, it really wreaks havoc with the way the tie was "meant" to be used. I concede that some ties may have equivalent interlining throughout the tie, rendering this somewhat irrelevant, but a good tie is almost always designed on the premise of a light four in hand.
As for having your ties recrafted, believe me, it is an ideal, but when you have a metric ton of ties, it seems impracticable, esp. when all you have to do is tuck.
I used to feel this way. Now I like the look and have had a few students comment positively on it. When I asked them to elaborate, a few have said something along the lines of being less stuffy.
The vast, vast majority of people out there are totally unaware of the #menswear connotations of it and thus will think two things:
a) the guy doesn't know how to tie his tie
b) the guy doesn't give a shit
Which they read depends on context. If it's some Joe Schmo with his pants pooling at the ankles in a mustard-gray suit he found at Macy's in 1992, they'll think one thing.
If it's in the context of a well fitted expertly coordinated outfit, they'll think something else.
Not that what people think matters to any of us, of course, the free thinkinging rebellious conservatives we are, standing against the sea change of loose morals, looser women, dress casual, skinny jeans, fast fashion and the death of the Anglo-Saxon gentleman (and his trad cousin, some lesser known Kennedy...probably a second cousin or some shit. Fred. Fred Kennedy. We're fighting for Fred, ardn't we?)
"Wearing a tie that is either too long or too short is another give away. In an ideal world the tie should reach the top of the trouser waistband with both the front and tail finishing at the same length. If this can’t be achieved, better to have the tail slightly longer than the front. Often the rise of the trousers can cause the tie to be the wrong length. "
from drake's website
On the way to a family gathering
Shoes: Crockett & Jones
Shirt: TM Lewin
Tie: Exquisite Trimmings
PS: no name
The problem with long ties started when I got my trousers made for me. My waistline is not where the tie manufacturers want it to be. It's higher.
It's nicest when the widest side of the tie is the longest.
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