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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr.K, Mar 25, 2011.
vox, you continue to amuse
Not really. Amusing is amusing, but being a dick, is just being a dick.
¡Hombre grosero a la vista! be gentle with the members, please
When Vox is being a dick, he does it tastefully.
I'd give it a B-. Anyone who's spent time reading about fit on SF, should know about the flaws that were mentioned (sleeves needing rotation, etc).
Here's a good example of something we would all do well to remember (some more than others), namely that my ignorance of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I'd like to reply to the three points above: (1) It is a difficult art to master. But maybe we define "mastery" differently. I think it takes, as good old Gladwell says, 10,000 hours. If a person spent about three hours a day working on it, six days a week, it would take about ten years to master. It may take, as you and Nii mention, a year or two to become proficient. But proficiency isn't mastery. (2) If you know how well your clothes fit, and you're happy with them, then why did you ask for feedback in the Tailors' Thread? (3) If I can speak for the mods, we don't want it to become a club of high end bespoke customers. But we don't want it to dissolve into a free-for-all. This is the way I describe SF to non-members: "It's a bunch of guys who are dedicated to the pursuit of excellence. They're drawn together by their interest in clothing, but they discuss pretty much any topic from politics to advanced cooking techniques. And you'll find a world-class expert on any topic you could imagine." I would hate for SF to abandon what I think makes it great: a group of guys dedicated to the pursuit of excellence.
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Like Parker and others who "liked" his post, I thought Manton's use of Aristotle was quite helpful.
That's just mean.
1) I still think it's not that hard. But we can respect each other's opinion.
2) I never really asked for any feedback on any of my clothing purchases, but that jacket was weird. I really wanted a second opinion. Also, I wanted the problem put into words other than mine. I'm not a tailor and I'm not proficient with the terms, so it's hard to explain to my tailor what I mean sometimes.
3) I think we're really not missing that right now. We're all striving for greatness, but it doesn't mean being unhappy with what you have if you cannot afford bespoke or excessive tailoring. Excellence may be defined in many ways; I would like to define it as looking your best given your financial, geographical or other limitations.
Sounds good. My old sig, the one I had for about three years, indicated my views about how much there is to learn -- about clothing or anything, really: "As the island of our knowledge grows, so do the shores of our ignorance." The more we know, the more we know there is to know. It should be humbling. And it can be daunting. But it can be exhilarating to those who love the journey of discovery. Guys who embody this well for me here include Despos or a tailor, men who have spent decades devoted to learning about clothing. I'd bet they have more questions than the average noob or "senior member." More humility too. And we can all be like that.
Thus, in terms of happiness/unhappiness, I think there is a healthy moderation in unhappiness. We should always be "on the way," looking behind and thus happy with how far we've progressed but also looking ahead at how far we have to go. Of course such "looking ahead" can make us happy too. As "the most interesting man in the world" recommends, "Stay thirsty, my friends."
that is a great quote
and i think i was happier in my ignorance ... ("ignorance is bliss")
since discovering styleforum, my wallet is empty and i am constantly stressing over what to buy and wear
Ah...I think that's it. I've only worn it with bals for fittings & since I got it a month or so ago, and this is the first time with derby-style boots. Note to self: bals only.
Would have never noticed this without you nitpickers
At the end of the day, what you're wearing is really insignificant, as long as you don't look like a clown. So there's no point to stress about it too much.
Mediocrity isn't all bad. Although, I believe CS Lewis once wrote that there's something Satanic in that.
If wearing mediocre clothes makes one mediocre, he or she really has a problem that bespoke clothing won't solve.
Post some picks of yourself please, show your face (dont hide it) and put on your best fitting suit. If you are a bronzed adonis and carry a suit better than anyone on SF, I will take my hat off to you respectfully. Most post pics in good faith wanting praise/recognition or constructive criticism. Telling a guy he should go lift weights to fit a suit is about the most unhelpful "serious" comment I have ever heard. If you made that comment in jest, I would probably find it amusing, but I do not detect a jestful undertone. The only thing I agree with in your post is that Orgetorix's suit jackets are a bit short. But he has already acknowledged the problem, so telling him something he already knows is plain old ..... (you figure out the word).
Everything matters. But you're right that some things matter more than others and that context counts.
This is why, excellence, or virtue, as jj-m's friend Aristotle would say, can only be known by a virtuous person who has insight into a particular situation.
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