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HOF: What Are You Wearing Right Now - Part III

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr.K, Mar 25, 2011.

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  1. landshark

    landshark Senior member

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    There are two threads. What are you wearing right now, and the critique my outfit thread. The latter should probably be pinned to alleviate the confusion.
     
  2. Gdot

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    I actually liked the CBD thread untill olddog decided to make things uncomfortable.

    I read that CBD thread from beginning to painful end last weekend. It was great! Not only did it demonstrate lots of great looks - but it also demonstrated that there actually is NO universal definition of Conservative Business Dress outside of the 'IBM LOOK'.

    As an outsider looking into this particular forum I think there is a place for several, more well defined threads. This would allow for a much broader discussion on a more detailed level and would prevent people from being pushed away simply because they don't fit a particular mold/demographic which is considered to be appropriate to this thread.

    I would like to see a 'master class' thread where only those who are established would post - and in which NOOBS (such as myself) and those posting 'test fits' were summarly chased out (even to the point of having their posts deleted). This sort of 'curated' thread would be invaluable.

    This would work well if there was an additional thread that was more specifically oriented to those of us who are here to learn by having our looks 'run through the gauntlet'.

    As the art of full on dress for business is simply not widely accepted nor practiced in the US any longer I also think there should also be a third thread devoted to the 'classically based' casual and business casual fits that fall outside of full on CBD.

    Just some random thoughts from a newbie.[​IMG]
     
  3. JapanAlex01

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    You could always ignore certain posts though, just saying.
    Ditto. I understand where all you silly billies—oh, I mean, old-timers—are coming from, but be a fucking adult, and scroll past! Is it so hard? Jesus H. Christ, it's like some of you here are still in grade school!
     
  4. molayo

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    There are two threads. What are you wearing right now, and the critique my outfit thread. The latter should probably be pinned to alleviate the confusion.

    Oh, that's where I should have started posting! Now, I got it. Thanks!
     
  5. TRINI

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    Ditto. I understand where all you cunts"”oh, I mean, old-timers"”are coming from, but be a fucking adult, and scroll past! Is it so hard? Jesus H. Christ, it's like some of you here are still in grade school!

    Wow. Great solution.

    When you have to skip full pages, then obviously someone's doing something wrong.
     
  6. Gdot

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    There are two threads. What are you wearing right now, and the critique my outfit thread. The latter should probably be pinned to alleviate the confusion.

    +1
     
  7. EFV

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    Amen to that, brother! I think your jacket is just maybe a tad too long? (I can't really see from that picture.) The buttoning-point could be an inch higher? Tbh, I don't think it's bad at all! The lapels are a little thin? (I'm spit-balling here, really.) Personally, the tie pattern is a near-miss (would rather see you in a grey wool. No homo! I don't mind the width, though it could be ~1" thinner), but that is subjective! [​IMG]

    Thank you. I think I'll stick with the jacket length, it's pretty standard classic length, and one of the things I feel really comfortable about in this fit.

    Yes, wider lapels i definitely something I will be looking for in my next SC/suit. As I'm really picky about my ties I was really sceptical towards this one for a while, but it's actually grown on me, and now I quite enjoy it. From afar it gives you the illusion of a polka dot tie, but up close it's something rather different.

    Yes, getting a criticism and enjoying it will bring you respect eventually.

    EFV, I don't think a higher buttoning would work on your build. Rather, with a high gorge and a lowered button stance, having more V effect would be better. I think a tie's width has little to do with a button stance but more to do with a lapel width. If you stick to wide ties, what about a high-gorge, peaked, and wide lapel?

    Anyway, today I tried a more relaxed pose. Here's what I wear today. [​IMG]
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    Sorry, I blame my Engrish. I used button stance and gorge to describe the same thing: Button stance. But yes, I think you might be right about wider lapels, a bit more peak and slightly higher gorge might do the trick. However, button stance and tie width can really affect each other. A low button stance + a tie that's relatively wide at the bottom creates the illusion of a V-shape, as opposed to where a skinnier tie + low button stance creates sort of a void in the chest area.

    As I currently work out a whole lot and aim for a natural, rather slim V-look I guess I might need a whole lot of input from others during the way to get the fits right.

    Btw Molayo, I love everything about that look. I would have liked to see a pose with the arms along the sides to get a better view of the fit. I've got a similar tie somewhere that I should really start wearing more often.

    Edit: Oh, sorry. I wasn't aware of the fact that there were two threads. I haven't, however, posted anything that I think is so much in need of improvement that it doesn't belong in this thread.
     
  8. Holdfast

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    Not unlike Formula 1 rules changing every year and teams adapting.

    I hate teh upcoming plans to switch to V6s... [​IMG]

    Great article lamenting all these pseudo-green changes.

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    Love those shoes; EGs of some flavour?




    Feeling in the pink...

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  9. Master-Classter

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    My research tells me that you joined in July 2007. [​IMG] - B
    I'm tired
    Meh, I disagree. I often prefer to post 'problem outfits', outfits I'm not at all sure work, to get feedback. When I post outfits that I'm surer of (e.g. my latest pic), I get virtually no feedback. What's the point of posting if you don't get feedback. Was the outfit so terrible it was beneath mention? So great it couldn't be improved upon? What? Comes down to what people are trying to get out of this place. For me, I couldn't care whether random people on the internet don't like my style/taste, but if they can help me make it better, they can go ahead and call me a fudge-packin' bathroom-stall-tappin' Nancy Boy, I don't care. Frankly gay guys make fun of that fact that I wear suits, and I'm my own man, not just 'a gay'. That's why I could never bother with that other forum, it's too much a love-in for stuff that doesn't deserve love.
    1. no problem with posting the problem outfits, but I think it has to be an even give and take, so you give many pics that are good, and occasionally ask for some feedback. If you're only posting wild crazy pics, people don't even know where to start with you. Plus with more consistent regular pics, people can get a better sense of your base style and items you own to know what sort of feedback to give. 2. Nobody cares about the gay point, it's a tangent. We've all got a little 'flair', that's why we're on SF. 3. we're not just random people on the internet, we're a collective of well informed people who have skills and knowledge relevant to your clothing interests, ie our opinions generally do matter. We can help make you better, but see point #1. Just because people don't necessarily comment on the pic doesn't mean it isn't good or others aren't learning something from it.
    But then Masterclaster wrote "Crusty got/gets a lot of flak because he's got the fundamentals down really well but it sort of got boring after a while because it seems (to me anyway) that there's no real unique personality there." So does he have fundamentals down but have his own style or the opposite? Anyway, I've seen a big improvement with him from his days on the other forum and over his time here. I hope he comes back. Let us remember that being a gentleman is more than texture matching, it involves treating each other with respect and decency and politeness.
    IMO guys like Upper-Crust has a strong sense of the fundamentals, but that's not the particular SF ideal. IMO the SF ideal is guys like Holdfast, who know the rules, and then take it a step further to break them in a personal/unique and consistent way. We can help with minor corrections but if people don't even know where the lines are then it's too big a job to show them that. (this isn't directed specifically at you, I'm just remphasizing that I think the WAYWT thread is about lurking, learning the basics, posting, and learning and slowly growing from there until eventually developing a unique style).
     
  10. HenryFlower

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    Wow, so even this thread is going meta. Some unsolicited thoughts: 1) Folks are reading way too much into what edmorel wrote. The basic criteria for posting here should be that you: a) Are wearing what would be classically defined as men's clothing (suits, scs, good well-styled casual clothing) and, b) Think your fit is good and worth showing off The criteria for (b) are relative to your current experience -- I don't think anyone objects to less experienced folks posting; the objection is to people who don't even try. 2) For those who say: "why not just skip over bad fits", Gresham's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law) applies to this forum as well
     
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    You obviously have a very different interpretation of what this thread is supposed to be about.
    Who doesn't, TRINI? Trying to impose your personal interpretation on a group this large -- and such a fluid one at that -- would be like trying to teach a pig to sing. This thread will always mean different things to different people, and its meaning will change over time. Let it go, man.

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    There are two threads. What are you wearing right now, and the critique my outfit thread. The latter should probably be pinned to alleviate the confusion.
    There's a fit critique thread, true, but I don't believe there's a "Critique My Ensemble" thread or a "Critique My Style" thread.

    I have no opinion on the matter of whether or not we need an additional pinned thread or two, but I do believe strongly that creating additional critique threads will not keep people from using WAYWRN as a place to get advice. Nor should it. Anyplace where people post pictures of themselves will become a forum for critique unless the mods prohibit comments all together. And what would be the point of that?

    Ditto. I understand where all you cunts"”oh, I mean, old-timers"”are coming from, but be a fucking adult, and scroll past! Is it so hard? Jesus H. Christ, it's like some of you here are still in grade school!
    Manners, please. There's no reason disagreement can't be civil.
     
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    Trying to impose your personal interpretation on a group this large—and such a fluid one at that—would be like trying to teach a pig to sing. This thread will always mean different things to different people, and its meaning will change over time. Let it go, man.
    This!
    Manners, please. There's no reason disagreement can't be civil.
    Yeah, with you perhaps! *kicks stone
     
  13. mktitsworth

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    Back to the fire...
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    Digging the shoes, and the patch pockets - which is odd since I don't usually like patch. In this case though they look like they do less to distrupt the lines of the suit than flaps or slit (besom?) pockets would. The only think I would question is the tie though. Is it really that close to the suit and shirt stripes?
    Anyway, today I tried a more relaxed pose. Here's what I wear today. [​IMG]
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    I like the idea of the seersucker odd jacket and the brown shoes do well to accentuate the casualness of the outfit. If I may advocate the robo-pose for a moment though, I've found it will allow you when looking at pictures of your fits to notice lines, curves, pulls, etc that you might not have noticed other wise. I don't know if you did this and didn't post it, but if no one has said that to you yet, I've found it very useful.
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    [/SPOILER] I worked through something with a similar aesthetic this morning and did not feel that I could do it well. This I'm going to save because I liked the idea, and I think you did it very well. Let's all cozy on up... [​IMG]
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  14. Oleg

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    Wow. Great solution.

    When you have to skip full pages, then obviously someone's doing something wrong.


    You're right to some extent: the danger is that it degenerates into something like the Ask Andy forum (which I've just this minute visited for the first time and it's absolutely fucking honking. Monstrously bad). But without the critiques and self-help, there'll be a lot more people dressed like 'over there' and a lot less like 'over here' and that's not a world any of us want to live in.
     
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    molayo, where are all you guys getting your seersucker jackets?! [​IMG] (And nice, btw! [​IMG])
    It looks like a seersucker but it is actually linen+wool blended. [​IMG]

    However, button stance and tie width can really affect each other. A low button stance + a tie that's relatively wide at the bottom creates the illusion of a V-shape, as opposed to where a skinnier tie + low button stance creates sort of a void in the chest area.
    Right, you corrected me. I agree with you!

    Thanks for your kind comments all the time. Real encouragement!

    Molayo, I get what you said about lapel width here, but can you explain the difference between button stance and gorge height? For ten bonus points, include diagrams? [​IMG]
    I don't believe you don't know the difference. [​IMG] Anyway, I am not sure whether both words were used to mean the same thing in the past, and they are still used as such in Europe. But what I know is...gorge is the line where the lapels meet the collar and button stance is the waist button of a jacket.
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    The problem is wearing a solid tie and a solid suit in harmonious colors. They are too close in value and lack contrast in color or pattern. You need that contrast or an outfit looks flat.



    OK, here's a point I need help with. 2 people have now critiqued Spoo's tie, based I guess on that it's purple and the shirt and suit are shades of blue. (I received similar advice with the colors I chose for the teal suit, i.e purple and a lighter blue.) BUT according to Andy's site, which seems to be the standard reference for color-challenged people like myself,

    "Analogous colors: (also known as adjacent colors, harmonious colors, and related colors), are Colors, which lie next to each other on the color wheel (contiguous colors). They harmonize since they each contain some of the same color. An example would be blue pants, a blue-green shirt and a purple sweater."

    http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/C...lorReality.htm

    So I don't get it. Is spoo's purple tie not an analogous color? And if so, why is it wrong?

    Is the secret something to do with saturation?
     
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    OK, here's a point I need help with. 2 people have now critiqued Spoo's tie, based I guess on that it's purple and the shirt and suit are shades of blue. (I received similar advice with the colors I chose for the teal suit, i.e purple and a lighter blue.) BUT according to Andy's site, which seems to be the standard reference for color-challenged people like myself,

    "Analogous colors: (also known as adjacent colors, harmonious colors, and related colors), are Colors, which lie next to each other on the color wheel (contiguous colors). They harmonize since they each contain some of the same color. An example would be blue pants, a blue-green shirt and a purple sweater."

    http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/C...lorReality.htm

    So I don't get it. Is spoo's purple tie not an analogous color? And if so, why is it wrong?

    Is the secret something to do with saturation?


    Kevin,

    One man's trash is another man's treasure.

    I suspect that those who have issue with Spoo's tie see it as neither a match to his jacket nor different enough to be an effective contrast. (ie - if he was going for a purple tie it probably would have been more convincing were it a bit more purple. Or, as you mentioned were a different saturation of color.)

    I have people on my team at work who spend all day, everyday, working with fabric colors/textures/combinations (interior designers). And the best I can tell you is that the 'rules' of color schemes are just general guidelines that only apply in broad terms. The rest is art and it can take a while to aquire a good sense of what will be pleasing to others as well as pleasing to yourself.[​IMG]
     
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