Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr.K, Mar 25, 2011.
isn't sw&d a big brand whoring party? that's at least what i gather from my regular excursions... not sure what you mean by the collective knowledge, though.
you mentioned it several times, it doesn't get through to me.
also half the fits moo posted are kinda lame
Actually I like a few of the fits Moo posted except the ill-fitting suit. I detest it so much, it just gives off a bad hobo vibe. Don't really like the 6th picture either, feel that it doesn't match/complement his facial features. The rest are good and seems to gel well with their feature.
Clothes are meant to make you look good and accentuate/complement your features or proportions. If you had killer looks or could project the right vibe perhaps you could get away with it but it's obvious most of you trying that whole oversized suit thing don't. You can't just blindly follow trends without reflecting on whether it actually suits you.
Style is knowing what works for you and what doesn't, wear clothes that bring out your strengths and downplay your flaws. Introduce new elements or trends that WORK with your features to keep your look fresh/new all while having it stay coherent with the vibe you have been constantly giving out to people.
What just happened to the WAYWRN thread that I know and love?
That was eight pages of arguing / nitpicking that I would rather not wade through, and it really should have been moved to a new thread.
In other words, please, stop crapping up the thread.
To bring things back on track:
+1 on this outfit.
My only nitpick:
It does look as though the waistcoat has ridden up / bunched up, skewing the trouser-waistcoat balance.
I'm not sure if that is just your position in this shot, or if it is a fit issue.
That, of-course, is to my untrained eye. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Suffice to say, a very dapper look
Photos, no semiotics . . .
Suit & Tie - BB
Shirt - Lewin
Cufflinks - Cable Car Clothiers, SF
Shoes - Harris, via Barney's, Boston
Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!
Hmmm. I understand what you are saying, but it is sad to me that anyone would narrow their viewpoint so much that he would cut off all the things beautiful that are of the past and and that are continued from the past.
Refuse Paris, embrace a skyrise box in Dubai? Newness is more often ugly than not, much like many of the "fits" presented as counter-examples to the shitty "casual" dress of the MC masses possessing supposedly worse taste than the fashion crowd.
I am also surprised by the pseudo-venerative relating of a phenomenon centered around merchandizing to high art (the condition of which is not in great shape today, either.) If there is "reflection" going on with designer clothes, it is of the most shallow kind with the low mental velocity sufficient enough only to give a cultish push-off to selling product.
Here's the thing: it is quite possible to enjoy the best, most interesing things that are old as well as new.
My only comment on the ongoing conversation taking place in this thread . . . .
It's been a great conversation.
My contribution is: what MC'ers mean by "timeless" is that it will be something they will want to wear 10 years down the road.
Not external, though mostly they don't know it, but internal.
Another crappy photo. Gone all mod today in the spirit of the discussion / cross-over between MC and SW&D. Everything's black, blue and grey. Tie is a skinny charcoal wool number from Barney's Co-op, shirt is a Ben Sherman OCBD, blue-black herringbone suit was made for me by Raja based on a suit my father had cut for him in London in 1965. Hair is model's own. Not shown: suit trousers, black Paul Smith socks, Loake Chelsea boots...
Thing with a lot of SW&D fits are the serious/sad/angry faces the posters pull, despite their casual clothes. Many successful MC posters meanwhile, in their stuffy old formal clothes, look like they're enjoying life. Is that an incoherent combination, or maybe cognitive dissonance?
whoa this side moves fast!!
anyways the moolure has been cast and caught many a fish
on sw&d we hear many stories about how mean/[insert insult here] you MCers are, they are like folk tales passed on from one forum generation to another.
Id say that it is mostly a myth after this experiment. I received 12 thumbs up and only a few negative comments, which speaks to the open-mindedness of the MC side.
If you'll have me again it would be a pleasure but i think im going to retreat back into SWD for a bit ...i didnt mean to derail the thread lol
I used to be a streetwear guy. I wanted to learn more about quality and construction, and what makes something good as opposed to bad, great from mediocre, and that path inevitably leads to classic dress, and classic tailoring. You cannot want to dress in better made clothes and not be lead to what the past as offered us whether that be a button up shirt, and wool pants, or a suit and tie, I just feel that is the way that it is.
Here's the thing, and I'll use the two most commonly-cited members who bridge "both styles" ostensibly represented by the bifurcation of this particular forum.
When Parker and MoK are posting "fits" in SW&D, they are not posting "casual" ensembles. They are pretty much wearing those fits in the same work and play context for which they had posted coat and tie looks. It has little to do with notions of formality or informality. It's a persona change, top to bottom, and not the same as someone who dresses in tailored clothes for part of the day or week dressing down for other parts. There is no dress up or dress down for SW&D. You wear the same thing all day, all week, and everywhere, and then you put a pea coat or poncho on top of that in winter.
When today's Phat Guido is required by his employer to eschew coat and tie entirely, he is not wearing "casual" clothes at work. The employer conformity demand is no less formal than Tom Watsons IBM. The difference is that it's one-note dress compared to what PG had been calling "grown man style."
I feel that guys like gdl203 who switch back and forth are an impossible models for most guys. Ther aren't any examples of SW&D members who escape their context to look fantastic in tailored clothes, so I'm not sure why anyone thinks the turning the tables is what would work for "MCers."
There are plenty of ways an adult man to look great without coat and tie that yet remain coherent with a life in tailored clothes without untucking his shirt from his pants and stuffing his pants into his hi-top kicks.
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