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HOF: What Are You Wearing Right Now - Part III

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr.K, Mar 25, 2011.

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  1. E TF

    E TF Well-Known Member

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    It was deliberate - he did it all the time:

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    I believe the coats are cut to be worn that way - the two buttons are deliberately placed equidistant from natural waist, above and below.
     
  2. acecow

    acecow Well-Known Member

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    I seriously doubt they were cut to be worn that way. There's some serious pulling at the bottom button in the last 2 photos. Unbuttoning it would help tremendously, cut or not.
     
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  3. mafoofan

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    That is a 4x1 double-breasted jacket. Buttoning the bottom buttons is the only way to button it. How on earth are you comparing it to a two-button single-breasted blazer?

    I do not disagree that JFK's jacket in the picture you originally posted is a shorter jacket. I pointed it out to begin with. What seems to be escaping you is that there are a number of significant aesthetic choices that distinguish Kennedy in that original picture (such as a shorter jacket, and cream trousers), and you have captured none of them in the outfit you present as an emulation.

    Will didn't point out the number of buttons on JFK's sleeves because they are an immaterial feature, not because they reflect any obvious or basic principle of elegance. Nearly every modern jacket (whether odd or part of a suit) has four buttons on each sleeve. There is nothing special or distinctive about it.
     
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  4. mafoofan

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    Intentional or not, it looks retarded.

    Oh, oops--sorry, it's JFK, so it must be stylish, right?
     
  5. mafoofan

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    If a silk square looks better puffed than folded, why would you ever fold it? If we agree one method is better than the other, the latter is an unmitigated error when it happens.
     
  6. Tirailleur1

    Tirailleur1 Well-Known Member

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    Because it's better doesn't make it wrong.
    Brown shoes might look better with a blue suit does that mean it is wrong to pair them with black?
     
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    Tirailleur, you must stop while you're behind. You're getting :foo: fed.
     
  8. patrickBOOTH

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    No they don't.
     
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  9. bourbonbasted

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    He buttoned both buttons on single breasted jackets almost 100% of the time. This was to help conceal a back brace he wore daily.
     
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  10. E TF

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    Let me clarify - I don't think these are good examples of this cut, like you say they're pulling horribly, merely that such a cut does exist and that this is what JFK may have been aiming at. I read it on the internet somewhere, so it must be true.

    JFK certainly looked much better in his casual ware than he did in his suits, to my eye at least.
     
  11. mafoofan

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    If brown shoes did simply look better than black with blue suits, then it would be wrong to ever wear black. But your premise is false.
     
  12. E TF

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    Specifically, I read it here on ASW

    Here's the DOW doing it -

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  13. mafoofan

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    Oh, well, Will just makes sh*t up. :)

    Whether he did it regularly or not is far secondary to whether it looks good. I don't think it does.
     
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    So, is it your opinion that because there is only one way to button a jacket, that is the only way it can be buttoned? And, if so, how does that square with the theory you positited above?


     
  15. unbelragazzo

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    Not all silk is as you describe it. In particular, Vanda silk PSs work really well in a square fold IMHO due to their texture. These are Vanda squares in square folds, which I'm sure you will conclude look abominable but whatever:

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3xp7khHYU1r8t6t2o1_1280.jpg

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m20yqevRYS1r8t6t2o1_1280.jpg
     
  16. mafoofan

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    What? If there is only one way to button a jacket, it isn't matter of opinion, but a matter of physical impossibility. You cannot button the top buttons of a 4x1 jacket because there are no holes to put them through.

    Strictly speaking, one can button both buttons on a two-button single-breasted jacket, because there is a hole to accommodate the bottom button. However, one shouldn't because, almost always, such jackets are not cut to be buttoned that way. Fastening the bottom button will close the quarters in a way the jacket was not structured for, leading to often significant pulling and tightness.

    I'm frankly quite baffled that you don't see why a 4x1 DB jacket and a 2-button SB jacket are not comparable in this regard. It's like asking why you can't take down the convertible top on a minivan.
     
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    I'm here briefly to lend credence to the winning side.
     
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    Since you didn't insert any insults directed at me, I will take this as tacit endorsement of everything I've ever said about anything.
     
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