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Hip-hop culture hurting NFL

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by mr monty, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. HomerJ

    HomerJ Senior member

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    Who was talking about baseball?

    I was just saying that the NFL is not hurting at all. It is THE game that Americans are interested in, that's all.
     
  2. vincent

    vincent Senior member

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    wow..roma you have no idea what you are talking about...

    Think before you speak next time roma.....you got shut down

    Plus you like soccer...gayest sport in the world (where all the italian players dive)

    Honestly, before you talk about the nfl..first look at soccer you douchebag italian meatball
     
  3. redcaimen

    redcaimen Senior member

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    Plus you like soccer...gayest sport in the world (where all the italian players dive)

    Honestly, before you talk about the nfl..first look at soccer you douchebag italian meatball


    Its a beautiful thing to see the clarity and force of reason deftly employed against the snarling hobgoblins of fear and ignorance.
     
  4. Manny Calavera

    Manny Calavera Senior member

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    Its a beautiful thing to see the clarity and force of reason deftly employed against the snarling hobgoblins of fear and ignorance.

    [​IMG]

    This thread is going places. Now someone please step into my well-placed trap.
     
  5. Edward Appleby

    Edward Appleby Senior member

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    My tastes run toward... blues

    There have always been poor people making new music, and the musical forms that emerged from those economically disadvantaged 'hoods never came near rap in terms of celebrating violence embracing self-defeating anitsocial behavior.
    Hahahahahaahaha...

    I had a friend one time
    Least I thought I did
    He come to me
    Said, 'Johnny?'
    Said, 'What man?'
    'I'm outdoor'
    I say, 'Yeah?'

    I taken the cat in
    Get him a place to stay
    And I found out
    He goin' 'round town
    Tellin' ev'rybody that he
    He got my wife

    Then I gets mad
    I goes to the cat
    Like a good guy should
    I said, 'Look man
    'I'm gonna warn, you just one time'
    Next time I warn you'
    'I'm gonna use my gun'

    'Cause I'm mad, I'm bad, like Jesse James

    I'm so mad, I'm so mad.
    I'm gonna ruin you this mornin'.
    I've got three boys
    Do my dirty work
    Now, you don't see me
    I'm the big boss
    I do the payin' off
    After they take care of you

    In their on way
    They may shoot you
    They may cut you.
    They may drown you
    I just don't know
    I don't care
    Long as they take care of you


    I went down to Eli
    To get my pistol out a barn
    When I got back home
    My woman had gone

    Yeah, gonna murder my baby
    If she don't stop cheatin' and lyin' -gonna put a hurtin' on her
    Well, I'd rather be in penitentiary
    Than to be worried outta my mind



    Calcio is a reflection of the ongoing, unacknowledged problems in Italian inner cities. As far as ruining football goes, I don't really understand that argument because the evolution of football is a perpetual process of "dishonorable tactics" and "violent antics." The Mayans "ruined" the sports predecessor, and in turn that violence was brought to England and "ruined" as football, giving us present day Calcio.

    Also, who gives a shit what kind of personal lives professional athletes lead? These are people who get paid millions of dollars for kicking a piece of inflated leather around a patch of grass. If people consider them role models the problem is with those people, not the athletes themselves. [​IMG]


    That right there is some razor-sharp satire. I think we have the next Vonnegut on our hands.

    Also, as Violinist points out, I should've said blues rather than jazz regarding misogyny. As far as Wagner goes, biographers do debate the exact nature of his personal beliefs, but it's clear that a lot of his work is concerned with the creation/synthesis of a fairly supremacist mythology for the German people.
     
  6. Quirk

    Quirk Senior member

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    Also, as Violinist points out, I should've said blues rather than jazz regarding misogyny. As far as Wagner goes, biographers do debate the exact nature of his personal beliefs, but it's clear that a lot of his work is concerned with the creation/synthesis of a fairly supremacist mythology for the German people.
    Thanks for clarifying. Though I wouldn't label traditional blues (say, the 20's - 50's) as being misogynistic as much as playfully (though unrepentanty) chauvanistic. EDIT: hadn't read the lyrics you posted before, since I assumed you were quoting previous posters -- they're not typical of blues I've heard, but I'm no expert on the subject.
     
  7. mizanation

    mizanation Senior member

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    nice lyrics edward. here are some more wholesome innocent lyrics from our friend Johnny Cash:
    When I was just a baby, my mama told me, "Son, Always be a good boy; don't ever play with guns." But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. When I hear that whistle blowin' I hang my head and cry.
    shooting a man just to watch him die is pretty gangsta.
     
  8. Edward Appleby

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    nice lyrics edward.

    If Fiddy ran into John Lee Hooker in a dark alley he'd probably shit himself.
     
  9. Quirk

    Quirk Senior member

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    nice lyrics edward. here are some more wholesome innocent lyrics from our friend Johnny Cash: shooting a man just to watch him die is pretty gangsta.
    Well, context counts, no? Cash's narrator acknowledges deviating from what he was taught as a child, and finds himself incarcerated and rueful. It's not exactly "my moms don' know shizat -- I'm the baddest muddafugga up in here, yo"
     
  10. Tokyo Slim

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    See "Murder Ballads". Some modern examples.
    Tom Dooley
    Pretty Polly
    Hey Joe
    Mack The Knife
    Stagger Lee

    Quite a few murder ballads date from well before the 1900's, as popular folk songs about killing unfaithful women, cheating men, gamblers, or strangers. Often they are sympathetic to the killer.\\

    I leave you with this one final nugget. Name the band!

    Oh yeah... The Beatles were HARDCORE!
     
  11. mizanation

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    nice ones, slim!

    don't forget the plethora of marijuana tribute songs from the 1920's on.
     
  12. mizanation

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    Well, context counts, no? Cash's narrator acknowledges deviating from what he was taught as a child, and finds himself incarcerated and rueful. It's not exactly "my moms don' know shizat -- I'm the baddest muddafugga up in here, yo"

    oki doki.............
     
  13. Edward Appleby

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    EDIT: hadn't read the lyrics you posted before, since I assumed you were quoting previous posters -- they're not typical of blues I've heard, but I'm no expert on the subject.


    I'm not certainly not an expert either, so I don't know whether are not they're characteristic. Both songs are quite early in the history of the blues, though.
     
  14. mizanation

    mizanation Senior member

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    man, most early blues is about fucking, satan, or murder.

    most people can't tell because they hide the meaning behind metaphor and slang.

    i love people who claim that blues and jazz are wholesome music as opposed to rap.

    jazz is a form of the word, "jizz," as in "ejaculate." "jazz" or "jaz" meant, "the shit" back in the day. so, "jazz music" was the hot music of the time.

    early jazz is full of sex and drugs.

    and the old blues and jazz performers were just as gangsta as any of the hip hop cats today. if you don't believe me, read miles davis's autobiography, or better yet, have a drink with one of the surviving jazz greats, if you are lucky enough. you will be suprised how hard these cats are.

    every generation has nay-sayers who lambast the music of the youth, who have nothing more to do than to criticize and to belittle true creativity.
     
  15. mizanation

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    If Fiddy ran into John Lee Hooker in a dark alley he'd probably shit himself.

    i think most people would shit themselves if they ever met the "boogie man" in a dark alley. i wouldn't want to run into leadbelly either.
     
  16. yerfdog

    yerfdog Senior member

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    Listening to Raekwon in this thread.
     
  17. Augusto86

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    If Fiddy ran into John Lee Hooker in a dark alley he'd probably shit himself.

    Nah. Whatever else you wanna say about the man, 50 is hardcore. Cat got shot 9 times from like a foot away, then drove himself to the hospital. You have to respect somebody that tough.
     
  18. Violinist

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    Nah. Whatever else you wanna say about the man, 50 is hardcore. Cat got shot 9 times from like a foot away, then drove himself to the hospital. You have to respect somebody that tough.

    O, I see you've learned something since our chat in another thread.

    Good.
     
  19. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Not even lolcats can save this thread. You guys are all diseased.
     
  20. Edward Appleby

    Edward Appleby Senior member

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    Not even lolcats can save this thread. You guys are all diseased.

    Tell me something I don't know.
     

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