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High end women`s heels vs men`s shoes

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by LaymanX, Jun 11, 2011.

  1. LaymanX

    LaymanX Senior member

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    Just received a gorgeous pair of AEs (thanks allaboutshoes!), and the wife doesn`t understand why I`m so happy. I pointed out the detailed stitching, full grain leather, Goodyear welting, etc etc, but she insists that high end heels (Louboutin, Jimmy Choos, etc) involves similar or even greater effort and materials to construct. [​IMG]

    Having no idea what was involved in the creation of women`s heels, I silently turned away and added the shoes to the Vault.

    Can anyone shed some light on the comparison?
     
  2. Quadcammer

    Quadcammer Senior member

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    For the most part, even expensive womens shoes are built like crap. Its all glued stuff.

    Manolos, loubotains, etc are sold on style and brand cache, not superior construction.
     
  3. idfnl

    idfnl Senior member

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    In general, women are total idiots when it comes to quality.

    Your wife doesn't know shit, sorry to tell you.

    Actually my wife doesn't either, but she does see the difference and actually gets upset when I show her details of my shoes and she sees what cheap garbage her expensive shoes are. But a typical woman wont wear a pair of shoes more than a handful of times anyway so it doesn't matter. Our shoes are made for a lifetime and don't really bow to fashion.

    Show her this thread, she'll back off.
     
  4. Reevolving

    Reevolving Senior member

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    Show her this thread, she'll back off.

    ...as soon as she sees your avatar!
     
  5. DerekS

    DerekS Senior member

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    I had similar questions....my fiance wears nice heels but theyre cheap as hell. I was wanting to get her some Louboutins because I just assumed they were made better. Thanks for saving me a grand.
     
  6. Quadcammer

    Quadcammer Senior member

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    I had similar questions....my fiance wears nice heels but theyre cheap as hell. I was wanting to get her some Louboutins because I just assumed they were made better. Thanks for saving me a grand.

    it doesn't matter man...its not about the quality for those shoes. Its not like she's going to be walking in them for miles. They will last fine with the typical minimal use a women puts on a pair of "fashion" heels.
     
  7. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    it doesn't matter man...its not about the quality for those shoes. Its not like she's going to be walking in them for miles. They will last fine with the typical minimal use a women puts on a pair of "fashion" heels.
    You're spot on with your first post in this thread. Top shelf women's shoes are pretty much crap compared to even low end men's shoes. That said, many, many of the folks here buy men's shoes with the same obliviousness to anything but fashion and brand name as women. And it is this selfsame insouciance whicht pushes the inevitable bastardization of Traditional standards of quality that is nearly concomitant with the manufacturing process. Manufacturers of men's shoes respond to the same market pressures as manufacturers of womens shoes. For instance, Goodyear welting, at bottom, relies on cement to hold everything together. So really, how is it all that different? And at the low end of men's shoes...$200.00?+/- to $500.00 +/-...fiberboard is nearly the default insole, as it is throughout the price range of women's shoes. Again where's the difference? So...you're right. But we need not be particularly smug about it.
     
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    VelvetGreen Senior member

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  9. Reevolving

    Reevolving Senior member

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    Is there actually a women's shoe brand that is legitimately superior in terms of leather, construction, etc? And therefore, easier to justify the cost?
     
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    idfnl Senior member

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    Is there actually a women's shoe brand that is legitimately superior in terms of leather, construction, etc? And therefore, easier to justify the cost?

    Ya, have them wear mens shoes
     
  11. Nikooo

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    Wow are you guys bashing on high heels? Seriously?? Weirdos [​IMG]
     
  12. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Is there actually a women's shoe brand that is legitimately superior in terms of leather, construction, etc? And therefore, easier to justify the cost?
    I've never seen a pair, at any price range, unless they were made by firms that are more typically known for their men's work. For instance, I believe that Lobbs, St. James, makes women's shoes. And I would expect nothing but the best from them. But all the women's "fashion" shoes are made pretty much the same way.
     
  13. idfnl

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    Wow are you guys bashing on high heels? Seriously?? Weirdos [​IMG]

    And your really normal for giving a shit. [​IMG]
     
  14. marg

    marg Senior member

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    my girlfriend's heels have very little sole on them. they aren't intended to be walked in for many miles or last forever so channel stitched welts and other high-end production methods would only detract from profits. they have an intended shelf life, both for style and useability. practicality isn't the #1 reason a girl buys $800 heels (although it's not #1 for men in this range, either). fashion shoe manufacturers rely on advertising and trends to sell more product, while high-quality men's shoe companies rely on their superior product. this goes for men's shoes as well.
     
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    KObalto Senior member

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    I went shoe shopping for myself in Paris recently with the wife in tow. I wound up buying nothing, she got a pair of lace-up calfskin Carmina heels. They look to be quite well made and she loves them. I think they were 250 Euros before VAT refund.
    [​IMG]
    They're the brown ones 5th from the left on the 2d row.
    Picture stolen from w.o.e.'s excellent photo essay on Carmina's Paris shop:
    http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=241469
     
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    ...they are men's shoes with (low) heels.... I would rather prefer badly constructed but sexy looking shoes on my girl...
     
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    Is there actually a women's shoe brand that is legitimately superior in terms of leather, construction, etc? And therefore, easier to justify the cost?
    Bally makes some good shoes for women, albeit rather thin, and for boots at least they have Frye.
     
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    KObalto Senior member

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    ...they are men's shoes with (low) heels.... I would rather prefer badly constructed but sexy looking shoes on my girl...
    She likes them for work. The heels still give the desired tone to her calves and wiggle to her walk. OTOH, she certainly has no plans to replace her shoe collection with dozens of these. They have their place. I do find some of the Northampton makers women's shoes too masculine.
     
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    I've never seen a pair, at any price range, But all the women's "fashion" shoes are made pretty much the same way.
    Is there a particularly "high end" fashion brand that is significantly inferior to the rest? ie: The worst value in the bunch.
     
  20. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Is there a particularly "high end" fashion brand that is significantly inferior to the rest? ie: The worst value in the bunch.
    I honestly don't know...I make boots and men's dress shoes. Shoemaking has, since time out of mind, been more or less divided between those who did men's work and those who did women's work. (This has it roots in the kinds of materials that were used to make men's shoes and the kinds of materials used to make women's shoes--it was a matter of cleanliness.) Today, premier firms might have separate divisions but as afar as I know the makers themselves still don't ordinarily cross the line. I've looked at many pairs women's shoes and talked to people who make women's shoes as their specailty...and I bring a pretty high level of insight and knowledge to the examination. But, truth to tell, I really don't care enough about women's shoes to pursue it further.
     

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