High-end watches...help me decide!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by brosnan6, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. sbbbjm

    sbbbjm Senior member

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    coming from a total cartier fan, i say go with the Daytona -

    if you're going to spend that much money and want to go with Cartier, like everyone is saying, go with something more substantial and iconic like the Santos Galbee XL, Santos 100, Roadster GMT, Pasha Seatimer, Tank American, Santos Dumont or Tank Louis
     


  2. acidboy

    acidboy Senior member

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    Get the Daytona. There is a good reason there's a waitlist for it. You won't go wrong.

    Well, you could hop over to timezone or to this forum's watch porn page and see the other stuff. On top of my head, you could take a peek at:

    -Breguet Transatlantique Type XXI
    -Blancpain Fifty Fathoms
    -JLC Master Compressor Chrono (or the EWC)
    -IWC Ingenieur
    -Glashutte Original Sport Evolution Chrono
     


  3. JoeWoah

    JoeWoah Senior member

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    Am I the only one who thinks that a Rolex is a bit too much for a recent grad? I don't mean price-wise, rather that it's loud for a young man? It's an older man's watch.

    I think, in that price range, you can find something cooler that will make for a good investment as well.

    Oh, and avoid the Cartier (no hate to Cartier watches)... I don't know how that ended up on the short list next to the SS.
     


  4. brosnan6

    brosnan6 Well-Known Member

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    $9200 retail for the Daytona.

    I hadn't realized they'd gotten so high.
    You'd probably be able to sell it for more than $10K, but still not for double.


    I hadn't realized that either....I could have sworn my dad paid less for his towards the end of 2007; I'll have to ask him again.

    Since I was basing my "close to double" statement on the price I thought was MSRP (6800), you would indeed be correct in saying that they do not sell for double the MSRP of 9200 [​IMG]. I'm seeing them on ebay to sell between 11 and 13K, still a 20-40% premium over list.

    Am I the only one who thinks that a Rolex is a bit too much for a recent grad? I don't mean price-wise, rather that it's loud for a young man? It's an older man's watch.

    I think, in that price range, you can find something cooler that will make for a good investment as well.

    Oh, and avoid the Cartier (no hate to Cartier watches)... I don't know how that ended up on the short list next to the SS.



    I don't think a Rolex is necessarily an older mans watch, though it varies greatly depending on what Rolex we're talking about. In my mind, a Datejust or a Daydate are without a doubt suited for older men. A Submariner, Daytona, or Explorer can easily be pulled off by young working professionals (such as myself) but also older dudes like my dad.

    I don't like many other watches out there aside from the "classic" brands. I'm definitely not one for a trendy looking watch by any means -- give me a classic styling and I'll be happy. My current collection includes 2 Tissots[one gift, one I bought myself] and an Omega Speedmaster [gift], so take that for what it's worth. Somebody suggested IWC Ingeniur upthread and I'm really digging the looks on that one...

    As for price, I am very fortunate and thankful that my parents are able to give me such a nice graduation present. But at the same time I suppose it's all relative -- I have friends who are getting brand new 60 thousand dollar cars and I have friends who are simply getting a new set of furniture from IKEA...I'm just thankful that I'm getting something nice.

    Cartier ended up on the list because it looked nice on a family friends' wrist [​IMG]. I haven't actually had a chance to research the quality and the movement, but from what it seems like I won't be missing much...
     


  5. JoeWoah

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    Well, you have a good selection of watches to go to, you are very lucky indeed. If this was your first and only "good" watch, or working watch as is the case for lots of grads, I personally wouldn't put a Rolex on the short list, nor Cartier. Since that's not the case with you, rock the Rolex then, it's a great watch.

    My opinion again, don't wear it to interviews. [​IMG]

    I don't think a Rolex is necessarily an older mans watch, though it varies greatly depending on what Rolex we're talking about. In my mind, a Datejust or a Daydate are without a doubt suited for older men. A Submariner, Daytona, or Explorer can easily be pulled off by young working professionals (such as myself) but also older dudes like my dad.

    I don't like many other watches out there aside from the "classic" brands. I'm definitely not one for a trendy looking watch by any means -- give me a classic styling and I'll be happy. My current collection includes 2 Tissots[one gift, one I bought myself] and an Omega Speedmaster [gift], so take that for what it's worth. Somebody suggested IWC Ingeniur upthread and I'm really digging the looks on that one...

    As for price, I am very fortunate and thankful that my parents are able to give me such a nice graduation present. But at the same time I suppose it's all relative -- I have friends who are getting brand new 60 thousand dollar cars and I have friends who are simply getting a new set of furniture from IKEA...I'm just thankful that I'm getting something nice.

    Cartier ended up on the list because it looked nice on a family friends' wrist [​IMG]. I haven't actually had a chance to research the quality and the movement, but from what it seems like I won't be missing much...
     


  6. SoCal2NYC

    SoCal2NYC Fashion Hayzus

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    Expand your horizons.
     


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    Keep Looking - you have only scratched the surface - don't buy a name! buy a real deal, look at older Sinn

    Totally agree with the post about expanding your horizons!!!!!!
     


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    I hadn't realized that either....I could have sworn my dad paid less for his towards the end of 2007; I'll have to ask him again.

    Since I was basing my "close to double" statement on the price I thought was MSRP (6800), you would indeed be correct in saying that they do not sell for double the MSRP of 9200 [​IMG]. I'm seeing them on ebay to sell between 11 and 13K, still a 20-40% premium over list.


    The jump to $9200 was fairly recent.
    I think last year they were $7900 or so.

    FWIW, my wife and I have gifted Roli to my three nephews for graduation gifts.
    Two got Subs and one got an Exp II.
    The two Sub nephews wear theirs all the time.
    I've never seen the Exp nephew wear his but he's kind of a slob.
    So I don't think the sports models are strictly old guy watches.

    The one exception might be the Yachtmaster.
    Speaking as a Rolesium Yachtmaster owner, it's kind of an old guys watch.
    It's my go-to watch when I go to Vegas though.
     


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    Expand your horizons.

    +1
     


  10. aleksandr

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    The one exception might be the Yachtmaster.
    Speaking as a Rolesium Yachtmaster owner, it's kind of an old guys watch.
    It's my go-to watch when I go to Vegas though.


    whyyyyyyy?
     


  11. Big A

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    I think the Daytona is a nice watch, but despite its supposed "limited availability" I see a bunch of them out there. You can get an almost perfect replica (with a gen. Rolex face and a Valjoux movement) in HK for about $2800 US - maybe that's why there seem to be so many of them. I also think it has become the "douche bag" watch to a certain extent, much as the BMW is decried as the "douche bag" car. Every sleazy guy I know who has $10k to blow on a watch owns a Daytona (although they are usually the bi-color ones) I think there are better watches out there with at least as much cache (except for the Bud & hot dog crowd, which only knows of Rolex and Seiko) for the same price. Just a few to consider: The Breguet Type XX: [​IMG] The Panerai Chrono: [​IMG] The JLC Master Compressor Chrono: [​IMG]
     


  12. mafoofan

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    Between the two, the Daytona is the clear choice. Cartier watches are pretty bad values--mainly because the movements are positively junky for the price. Don't let anyone tell you the Daytona is a lesser watch because it happens to be a Rolex--it's a very nice watch, with one of the only column wheel in-house chronograph movements available for the price.

    In my frank opinion, the JLC Master Compressor chonographs are hideously ugly--even though the watch may be a better make than the Daytona. The Squadra chonograph uses the same movement and is not as ugly.

    The Breguet Type XX and XXI watches are much better looking than the Daytona, in my opinion, but the movement used by them is far inferior. For comparable chronograph movements at the price of the Daytona, your choices are fairly limited: Blancpain, IWC (the Da Vinci), and JLC. Each uses a column wheel instead of a cam system.
     


  13. newtrane

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    Do not buy the Cartier. They make "fashion watches".

    Rolex is solid quality, though you might want to look into smaller "brands".

    Kind regards from Switzerland.
     


  14. JoeWoah

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    I think there are better watches out there with at least as much cache (except for the Bud & hot dog crowd, which only knows of Rolex and Seiko) for the same price.
    You mean the the bitter Americans who... "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." [​IMG] That's pretty much what I was alluding to before. If you're going to buy something with cache, making sure it holds that reputation with people in the know. The NASCAR crowd doesn't really know what a Brioni is either. Isn't it that Pizza you cook in the oven and tastes like delivery? Still, the Rolex is a nice watch. As for the Cartier, it's a glorified Fossil.
     


  15. Artisan Fan

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    I'd go with the Rolex. It's well made and will retain its value.
     


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