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High-End Watch Knock-offs

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by bigbris1, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. Mathew J

    Mathew J Senior member

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    Not paying retail is not the same as buying a fake. No matter how you phrase it buying a fake rolex is trying to show people that you have wealth, which you do not actualy have, which is pathetic and is no different from low class people covering themselves with gucci and louis vuiton logos. I have seen my fair share of fake watches and after owning a rolex I would never even consider buying a fake. Not realy related to the question, but your uncle's brother's sister is a pretty long winded way of saying your aunt.

    This is kinda funny as many buy real Rolex watches by overextending themselves on credit to show others that they "have made it"

    As for fakes, I don't care much....I wouldn't buy one but if others want to then whatever.

    And the whole Rolex thing, I have owned three, still own one...also own an Omega...the Omega is as nice and cost a third what my Rolex is now worth, there are many watches that are made nicer than Rolex for the same money, just as there are a few made as well as Rolex for alot less. You pay alot for the name.
     
  2. Epaulet

    Epaulet Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Justified by price or not, buying a knockoff watch is tacky. Just like going 8K into debt on a real Rolex. If you're 17, listening to Lil Wayne, and desperately in need of a brand name on your wrist, then I can understand the appeal.

    If you're older than that, come on man. Get a Seiko. If you can afford more, get an Omega. If you want a Rolex, then pick up a vintage one. Half the time the old ones look better anyway.
     
  3. SkinnyGoomba

    SkinnyGoomba Senior member

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    Now moving onto design. There is a a saying "not all that is shiny is gold," in terms of fakes it doesn't really matter. Rolex doesn't use top grade diamonds that are impossible to replicate. Rolex uses small amount of high quality(correct me on this?) gold, steel, titanium, glass. In the amount that is needed for a watch, a person that designs a good fake can buy all of these materials (the exact same ones) for the cost that would still allow him to sell his fakes for under 200$.
    Even if Rolex has some secret metal formula that has a super gold mix, using a close enough gold will make no difference whatsoever in the design. It will look and feel the same. Now we follow the assembly:


    just highlighted the stupidity.

    i'm amazed that you think an 18k version of the watch can be duplicated with less then $200 in gold.

    They smelt the metals used in their watches so the gold is always the same blend of 18k white, yellow or rose.
     
  4. Night Owl

    Night Owl Senior member

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    blahblah nonsense blah

    GTFO
     
  5. fuji

    fuji Senior member

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    Rolex makes their gold and steel themselves so no a knock off company can not get ahold of them. Do you actualy believe that there is no skill in making a watch? The skill required to make a high end watch is far greater then making a good suit. They don't just measure out bits of metal and put them together. You say a replica rolex doesn't loose and class. How can something fake that you wear to try and convince people your rich when your not show class? You could have bought a vintage omega for $500, which is actualy a good watch.
     
  6. huy

    huy Senior member

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    Expensive/designer clothes look and feel much better than the cheap stuff, I'd think it's fairly obvious.
    If we are talking about a $5000 suit compared to a $200 suit, then yes the difference will be obvious. If we are talking about a $5000 OTR suit versus a $2000 OTR suit the differences are very hard to see if there are any differences. Just like a $200 fake Rolex will be different than a real Rolex.
    A Rolex has a function of rotation 3 arrows. It is a very easy task to replicate, and the cost of replicating this task has the following relationship: accurate time measurement and small "sliding" over time - costs 10$-40$ VERY accurate time measurement with VERY small "sliding over time - costs 5000$-25000$
    People who want to have accurate time would get a quartz, not a mechanical watch. People who buy $5000 watches do not buy it for their time accuracy but for design, quality and name. A certain level of accuracy is expected for all mechanical watches and price does not always reflect the accuracy. You can easily get a $400 Stowa that will be as accurate as the Rolex.
    The technology and the professional input is different (Rolex has better professionals more expensive materials then Timex) in different quality watches. Unlike suits where a bad job means a terrible fit, in watches a cheap/bad design will simply mean this: You re-correct your watch every 5 months, not every 5 years (like a great watch that was designed to be very precise.) The penalty for a poor design here is almost negligible(do you care that you correct your watch twice a year and not twice in 10 years?) unlike a fake suit.
    A bad movement in your watch means that it will not run for years in addition to being very inaccurate. To compare watch movement to suit is better to compare it to the sewing and not the fit. The suit is probably poorly sewn at the buttons and will end up falling off.
    Now moving onto design. There is a a saying "not all that is shiny is gold," in terms of fakes it doesn't really matter. Rolex doesn't use top grade diamonds that are impossible to replicate. Rolex uses small amount of high quality(correct me on this?) gold, steel, titanium, glass. In the amount that is needed for a watch, a person that designs a good fake can buy all of these materials (the exact same ones) for the cost that would still allow him to sell his fakes for under 200$. Even if Rolex has some secret metal formula that has a super gold mix, using a close enough gold will make no difference whatsoever in the design. It will look and feel the same.
    Raw material costs for all luxury items are low compared to its price. Does the raw materials used to make a Kiton or Valentino suit even cost $200 to buy? I highly doubt that it does. There are a lot more costs involved in manufacturing something that just the raw costs.
    Rolex can be disassembled into parts that are later put together. For example we take the inner metal ring. The person making the watch doesn't need years of experience of sewing Valentino suits (to make a great Valentino suit) to master this, he simply needs to take a ruler and measure a 2cm diameter 1/2 gold, 1/2 steel 0.2 thick. After putting together all the parts, if the person has some experience dealing with watches it will be a very close resemblance. Here he doesn't need a hand of a painter or a pianist he just needs some good equipment.
    Using your same logic, a fake suit can be made the same way as a fake Rolex. It does not require a person who has years of experience making a Valentino suit to sew a suit that is very close to resembling the real thing. As long as the person is familiar with sewing suits and has good equipment it should turn out almost like the real thing.
     
  7. Biggie_Robs

    Biggie_Robs Senior member

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    I will argue that owning a fake high end watch is better than the real one:


    Pros:
    • The fake has precisely the same effect on everyone but yourself if you don't disclose its authenticity.

    • You don't have to sink 6k-20k into a an object that devalues at astonishing speed and has a terrible resale value.

    • You don't have to worry about it being damaged or stolen, no stress.

    • You are free to buy another model when you want something new for a change.

    • You can own multiple watches for different occasions without being confined to one or two that already cost a lot of money.

    • You can get all the benefits of owning a high end watch while acually making a smart move with your money.

    Cons:

    • You will know it's fake and some people will be bothered by that fact (copyright stance, feeling cheap, whatever)

    • Not as much reliability and shorter life span.

    • Poorly picked replica might be unusable (however it is the fault of a buyer in my opinion)

    Anybody wish to add to that list? I know it's not illegal to own a replica watch at least in NA, but from browsing the forum I have not seen any more plausible cons.


    Add this to your CONS list:

    You can't talk to anyone about your watch, because you know that it's pretending to be something it's not. [​IMG]

    I love talking to people about watches. Mine are not great watches, but they all have something about them that I love, and I love to talk about those aspects to others that are interested. I can't do that if I wear a fake.
     
  8. likeitaloud

    likeitaloud Senior member

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    Add this to your CONS list:

    You can't talk to anyone about your watch, because you know that it's pretending to be something it's not. [​IMG]

    I love talking to people about watches. Mine are not great watches, but they all have something about them that I love, and I love to talk about those aspects to others that are interested. I can't do that if I wear a fake.


    I don't converse with people who like to talk about watches..[​IMG]
     
  9. SkinnyGoomba

    SkinnyGoomba Senior member

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  10. likeitaloud

    likeitaloud Senior member

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    we can tell

    In my circles we don't discuss what we wear, but we wear what you discuss. We prefer to talk about politics, history, and traveling instead of focusing on imbecilic details that you are referring to.
     
  11. apropos

    apropos Senior member

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    In my circles we don't discuss what we wear, but we wear what you discuss. We prefer to talk about politics, history, and traveling instead of focusing on imbecilic details that you are referring to.
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  12. gazman70k

    gazman70k Senior member

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    Dude it's a watch...it's 3 thin metal lines rotating in a circle, So you spend 25,000 not 100 you'll have to correct it once every 5 years instead of once every 5 months? So what.

    WRONG! A high end swiss movement is no where as accurate as a $5 quartz movement. [​IMG]

    Gaz
     
  13. JoeWoah

    JoeWoah Senior member

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    If you are going to go fake, make sure you do it right. There's some really obvious crap out there. Get something most people can't spot, like a Glashutte. Unless you take it off and hand it to another Glashutte owner, they won't be able to tell.

    The thing is, people tend to buy watches for themselves these days. You're better off not wearing one at all than wearing a fake. Since everyone has a cell phone that tells time people don't really notice watches as much as they used to.
     
  14. suited

    suited Senior member

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    The most idiotic thing about fakes is some ppl pay several hundred for them, when you could get a real $200 watch that is much better quality.
     

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