Help with Crockett

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  1. jjgold

    jjgold Senior member

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    I was just in London...tried on all the major shoe makers. I was wondering about the Crockett and Jones Shoe. What is the difference between their top of the line handmade (thats it right?) and the model underneath them. it seems like a difference of 50 pounds at the store. Other than the different soles I could not really tell the difference. Thanks for the help.
     
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    slightly better leather, different lasts, and a channelled sole. generally, the handgrades will look much more sleeker than the benchgrades (although the 348 last is a benchgrade last and is very sleek). beyond that, no functional difference (although the uppers might last longer).
     
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    Thanks Novaguy...hey if you don't mind what then is the difference between the Green and the Handgrade?

    Thanks
     
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    btw - the difference between handgrade and benchgrade should about 100 GBP, so one of those shoes is either a special (shell cordovan leather, etc), or there is a sale involved.

    pediwear has the calf handgrades going for 335-345 gpb, more or less, and the calf benchgrades going for 230-245 gbp. (looking just at the basic styles).
     
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    Thanks Novaguy...hey if you don't mind what then is the difference between the Green and the Handgrade?

    Thanks


    the green?

    Do you mean Edward Green? or something else?
     
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    Yep Edward Green!
     
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    slightly better leather, different lasts, and a channelled sole. generally, the handgrades will look much more sleeker than the benchgrades (although the 348 last is a benchgrade last and is very sleek). beyond that, no functional difference (although the uppers might last longer).

    The HG have full leather linings (which is a functiondal difference - I think) and the corner is nicked off the heal (which is not).

    I was told that the HG take a bunch more time to make than the BG - but I forget the details.
     
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    The HG have full leather linings (which is a functiondal difference - I think) and the corner is nicked off the heal (which is not).

    I was told that the HG take a bunch more time to make than the BG - but I forget the details.

    Actually the corner nicked off helps prevent pulling the heel apart by hooking the sharp corner on something (like a stair tread).

    Aren't EGs pretty much on par with the Handgrade CJs?
     
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    Or catching on clothes.

    EGs are noticeably better than handgrades. The gap between the two is greater than that between hand and benchgrades IMO.
     
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    Or catching on clothes.

    EGs are noticeably better than handgrades. The gap between the two is greater than that between hand and benchgrades IMO.

    What are the points of difference? Having never closely examined a C&J shoe I have no reference here.
     
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    Or catching on clothes.

    EGs are noticeably better than handgrades. The gap between the two is greater than that between hand and benchgrades IMO.



    I was watching a travel/quiz show a few months ago. The television personality visited Salvatore Ferragamo in Italy.

    One of the quiz questions was "Why is the nick taken out of the heel?" The "answer" was that Westerners used to put their shoes on before they put their trousers on, and when they did so, the sharp part of the heel would become caught on the inside of the trouser leg. Making the nick meant that the wearer could slip his trousers on over his shoes with greater ease.

    I normally trust very little I see on Japanese television.

    Bic
     
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    I was watching a travel/quiz show a few months ago. The television personality visited Salvatore Ferragamo in Italy.

    One of the quiz questions was "Why is the nick taken out of the heel?" The "answer" was that Westerners used to put their shoes on before they put their trousers on, and when they did so, the sharp part of the heel would become caught on the inside of the trouser leg. Making the nick meant that the wearer could slip his trousers on over his shoes with greater ease.

    I normally trust very little I see on Japanese television.

    Bic

    How bizzare. It is however, a very Japanese solution to something rather Western.
     

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