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Help me save up and move out!

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by BlacKidLA, Nov 20, 2011.

  1. BlacKidLA

    BlacKidLA Senior member

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    Recent college graduate, just turned 22 last month. I start working at a talent agency the 1st week of February. Salary is $27,800/yr. I will be living with my parents to save money but I would like to move out as soon as I save up enough. How much is enough though? What do you all suggest?

    Things to consider:

    1. I want to get out of the rent's home ASAP for obvious reasons.

    2. I need a new/used/leased/whatever car. My car now is on its last leg and I need something reliable that will take me 15 miles to and from work every day. I also am a driving enthusiast, but if you guys suggest I buy a piece of poop then so be it.

    3. When I move out rent will be around $850-1000 a month. That's LA. :(

    4. I currently have no net worth/savings.

    All help and advice would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Senior member

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    Suck it up and stay at home for as long as possible. You may want to be out on your own, hosting house parties and banging skanks at your bachelor pad but you're in a bad position to do it for several reasons:

    1) Your salary sucks. I know you have to start at the bottom at a talent agency but that salary is close to what a full-time retail associate makes.

    2) You live in LA. You said it yourself, rent in LA is around 900-1000 a month. with utilities that means you'll be spending around 50% of your gross income on rent which leaves you around 12-14K for a car, clothes, food, gas, entertainment, health insurance (if you don't have it) etc.

    3) You need a new car. No way you can swing that and rent on your salary unless you buy a $500 beater.

    Basically if you decide to move out now you will live a life of paupacy with no hope of saving any of your money. Suck it up and spend a few years at home saving your money. You'll be happy you do and so will your parents when they don't have to bail out their broke-ass 25 year old.
     
  3. BlacKidLA

    BlacKidLA Senior member

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    I understand all of this. I want to stay at home to save enough money but what exactly would be "enough" in my situation? I probably won't become a junior agent until I'm 26/27, which is when hopefully I'll be making great money, but there's no way I'm going to stay at home that long.
     
  4. Lord-Barrington

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    At the bare minimum you'll want the following:

    a) A reliable car before you move. That's too big a purchase to balance while you're trying to pay for other stuff.

    b) An emergency fund equal of at least 4 months (but probably closet to 6 months in your case since you work in an industry with not a lot of job security) of living expenses. That includes rent, utilities, food, gas -- everything. So were talking about around$8,000 - $12,000.

    I strongly suggest you stay home before those two things are done.
     
  5. BlacKidLA

    BlacKidLA Senior member

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    Fair enough. Thanks kind sir.
     
  6. hoozah

    hoozah Senior member

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    as long as you possibly can! trust me. i'm doing the same. it's nice to look at your bank account and see 1000's of dollars. you might not have enough privacy, but when you eventually do move out, you'll have everything to ever wanted plus more. i'm 21 and plan on living at home until i'm at least 25.
     
  7. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

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    So do you just not have sex for the next 4 years? I really don't understand this mindset of living with one's parents past 18, 21 tops.
     
  8. JohnnyLaw

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    I moved out at 16 and am glad I did it. If you want to move out, do it. Don't be the dork living with his parents because he doesn't have a $10K "emergency" fund yet. I'm sure your family won't leave you to starve in the gutter if things somehow go wrong.

    Do you really need a car? Does LA have decent public transportation? Does your apartment have to be 15 miles away from your job? What about getting a roommate? I'm sure there are tons of ways to make ends meet with a $28K salary (much more than your average student's income, for example).
     
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  9. Joffrey

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    I'd suggest living at home for a year or two. Easiest money you'll ever be able to save (at least until you're making big bucks). When you move seriously consider living with more than one roommate (maybe a house with 2-4 housemates) for another year or two. More savings on rent and utilities. At that rate, you could possibly afford your own place by the time you're 25.
     
  10. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Senior member

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    Spoken like a true boomer. If you don't understand why a kid would rather save money and live at home than leave home and try to balance rent, repaying (oftentimes huge) student loans, and trying to find a job in a terrible economy, you're an idiot.

    For the last time, this isn't the 1960's anymore. Times are totally different and it's almost impossible for a lot of new college grads to even come close to making ends meet on their own.

    The last thing kids need these days is sanctimonious, out of touch Boomers telling them to move out and "quit being a dork" because they did it when there were jobs for everyone, rent cost nothing, and a college credit cost 33$.
     
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  11. Lord-Barrington

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    Your first paragraph gave me a good indication that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The bolded confirms it.
     
  12. JohnnyLaw

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    I'm talking about 10 years ago. If you don't have your own place, where are you going to go when you get raging drunk? Where are you going to experiment with drugs and try to convince girls to sleep with you? Maybe your late teens/early 20s were different from mine.

    I've never been to LA but I'm sure, like any other big city in North America, you can get by with that kind of salary.
     
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  13. Lord-Barrington

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    Even ten years ago was different. The economy sucks right now, housing is still quite expensive in many urban areas, and kids are saddled with until now unseen amounts of student debt.

    My late teens/early twenties I was in college. My middle twenties I was at home saving money so I could not live a hand to mouth existence for the rest of my life. If getting drunk, doing drugs and fucking some skanks in privacy is more important than building for your future, than I guess we are pretty different.
     
  14. JohnnyLaw

    JohnnyLaw Senior member

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    I'm doing great! Thanks for asking!
     
  15. Harold falcon

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    Yes, we are very different.
     
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    You really need to sit down and figure out your monthly expenses to see if it is even possible for you to live on that income.

    Example:

    Income after tax = $1800

    Expenses:
    Rent = $1000
    Utilities = $75
    Food = $300
    Insurance = $50
    Gas = $50
    Student loan = $200
    Alcohol & bars = $75
    Entertainment = $50
    Misc = $100
    Total expenses = $1900

    That is just an example, but you can see that if rent and utilities are over $1000 you are not going to have that much money for everything else. You can make some small sacrifices like living with roommates, cooking more often, going out less often, etc. that will put you into a better financial situation.

    After that is done, you can figure out how much savings you need to live if you lost your job (4-12 months depending on how much of a cushion you want).

    The more frugal you are, the quicker you can leave your parent's house.
     
  17. CYstyle

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    I'm with Lord Barrington. You are fortunate to have parents that will let you live with them rent free, take advantage. There's nothing fun about paying rent. If you are a car enthusiast, I'd suggest leasing a car for now. Since you only live 15 miles from work, you won't go over your miles. I leased a camry for $235/month 0 down. That way you just have a regular car to get you places, and you'll have some money saved up. You can upgrade to a nice car if you want/can afford it when the lease deal is up.

    You can still go out to bars w/e and if you want to hook up with someone go to their place. Besides sacrifice now, save money, work hard and then party later. 10-12k/year if you invest and get a 4-7+% return on your money. In 4 years you'll have saved more than45k.

    the other thing too is you will probably work harder working from home. use that I don't want to live at home drive to keep you working at work, less distractions from roomates, roomate drama etc. I had a roomate that would talk to me every time I saw her, and it would be like 3 hour talks, and she'd forget she told me this 3 hour story everyday since she moved in..
     
  18. BlacKidLA

    BlacKidLA Senior member

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    Actually I put a little something together for living at home and away. Tell me what you guys think:

    At Home:

    ($1950)

    Savings - $800
    Car - $400*
    Gas - $150
    Misc. - $100
    Entertainment/Going out - $200
    $300 Left over (To be split to Savings or whatever else)


    Moved Out

    ($1950)

    Rent+Utilities - $1000
    Food - $300
    Gas - $150
    Entertainment/Going Out - $300
    Misc. - $100
    $100 Left over




    * I plan on purchasing the car, this would be my monthly payment. I'll keep the car until I'm promoted and ready to upgrade. The reason why the payment is so high is because I would want to pay off the entire car before I move out so that I have one less bill to pay.

    I figured I would save up around $23,000 before I moved out. Why so much? Here's why:

    $2000 Furniture
    $3000 New Wardrobe
    $1500 Rent Deposit
    $2000 Car Deposit (From first couple of months of working)
    $14,500 still in my Savings Account

    If I ever go over (which I shouldn't) in my expense while moved out, I can dip into this $14.5k. That should be enough dip in money to last me another 2-3 years before I get promoted right?

    What do you guys think? Am I missing anything?

    Thanks again in advance!
     
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  19. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Senior member

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    Your plan looks a hell of a lot more sound than the "moving out right now" plan, which looks terrible. And keep in mind that Harvey_Birdman and that other guy are dinosaurs who don't know what the hell they're talking about.
     
  20. thenanyu

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    +1
     

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