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Help me ID these J&M Aristocrafts

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Beautiful shoes, my size too! If you decide not to bid, let me know where to find em'
 

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Originally Posted by gregaz
These almost look NOS, and I can't find ANYTHING on them. Does anyone know what these are?

Thanks!


What are you trying to learn about them?
 

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Originally Posted by johnny_flapjack
What are you trying to learn about them?

I guess I am trying to find out if they are a recent model, or if they are NOS. I can't seem to find another pair like that anywhere on the internets.
 

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I wonder if these are refurbished Aristocrafts? They uppers look to be very well antiqued, and incongruous to the soles. Beautiful shoes in any case.
 

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These are a pair of J&Ms I used to have. Although they were not Aristocrafts, the look of the leather and the patination appear to be similar to yours. These were a corrected grain leather, although a fairly good one and I suspect from the look of the shoes in your pictures that they are too.


 

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I am fairly sure the Aristocrafts did not use corrected grain leather. I may be wrong, but I would be shocked if that were the case.
 

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Originally Posted by gnatty8
I am fairly sure the Aristocrafts did not use corrected grain leather. I may be wrong, but I would be shocked if that were the case.

I gots a pair of CG Ariostocrafts as well. I think it's not unlike Florsheim where you can find Imperials that are very nice and full grain and some that are CG.
 

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Originally Posted by gnatty8
I am fairly sure the Aristocrafts did not use corrected grain leather. I may be wrong, but I would be shocked if that were the case.

I think, in recent years, it has slipped to this level.

As to these shoes, look at the micro-creasing, a pretty common indication of corrected grain.
 

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Originally Posted by tonylumpkin
I think, in recent years, it has slipped to this level.

As to these shoes, look at the micro-creasing, a pretty common indication of corrected grain.


There's the key. I would not buy a pair of Aristocrafts new. Older Aristocrafts were almost all whole grain leather, and not CG. I think the use of CG in Atristocrafts is a relatively new phenomena. These however looked like they might be older shoes, which was why I thought they might be refurbed old Aristocrafts. I am probably wrong about that though..

I see the creasing in the shoes posted above, but not so much in the shoes in his auction pics..
 

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Originally Posted by gregaz
These almost look NOS, and I can't find ANYTHING on them. Does anyone know what these are?

Thanks!


They are. Part of the Aristocraft line before they started that trampoline construction - when they made good shoes. Made in July of 1989 (or Sept of 87...kind of forget how to read the datecode; one of the two) in Nashville in the Polished Cobbler, which is corrected grain but it's not a negative, they're nice uppers. Most of you all don't have a clue when you talk about corrected grain calf....these are nice, no worries. They had a journey...originally sold at Nordstrom in Freehold and then somehow re-sold at Mill Valley in CA for 180$ at some point. If you don't see from the pics, remember these are an 80's style....lower vamp line so some of your sock will show.
 

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907 portion in the inside marking indicates the date of manufacture.
907=July 1989 or 1999
 

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