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Help me decide on a new vehicle

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by bigbadbuff, Jun 16, 2006.

  1. DNW

    DNW Senior member

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    I guess Americans have dubious tastes when it comes to vehicles; look at the annoying ubiquity of the Cadillac Escalade. I would take an A4 Avant or 3 series wagon anyday over most any SUV.

    Bigger is better, it's the American way.
     
  2. Pink22m

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    Indeed. Whether it be our cars, fast food meals, or bodies.
     
  3. matadorpoeta

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    the Tahoe is still on the list b/c my wife wants it to be... and as I said I do like it as well. Not much for wagons, sorry.
    aaaaaahhhhhh........ $1 says he gets the tahoe.
     
  4. LabelKing

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    Perhaps you should go to a foreign nation and import a vehicle.
     
  5. imageWIS

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    Indeed. Whether it be our cars, fast food meals, or bodies.

    You don't like it America's fat assess?

    Jon.
     
  6. bigbadbuff

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    test drove a BMW 330 yesterday. We started out in normal D mode with the automatic, and I was extremely underwhelmed with its acceleration. When I told the salesman this at a stoplight, he flipped it over to Sport mode and told me to gas it. QUITE a difference- impressive. It felt good overall, handled well enough, comfortable... but I don't think I got to spend enough time in it. The salesman said I could take it overnight if I wanted, I will probably do that one day next week since my wife didn't accompany me.

    Have to say the concentration on making it a 'driving' vehicle and leaving out simple, convenient things like coin holder, sunglasses holder, good cupholders, etc. is annoying.

    If we decide to go with the 330, it looks like we will lease and possible do European delivery as well.
     
  7. imageWIS

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    test drove a BMW 330 yesterday. We started out in normal D mode with the automatic, and I was extremely underwhelmed with its acceleration. When I told the salesman this at a stoplight, he flipped it over to Sport mode and told me to gas it. QUITE a difference- impressive. It felt good overall, handled well enough, comfortable... but I don't think I got to spend enough time in it. The salesman said I could take it overnight if I wanted, I will probably do that one day next week since my wife didn't accompany me.

    Have to say the concentration on making it a 'driving' vehicle and leaving out simple, convenient things like coin holder, sunglasses holder, good cupholders, etc. is annoying.

    If we decide to go with the 330, it looks like we will lease and possible do European delivery as well.


    Yeah, Audi's work the same way, the D mode is quite normal, and the S mode makes you fly and moves the needle to end of the rev range. At the same time, remember that S mode will kill your gas mileage.

    Jon.
     
  8. dirk diggler

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    I work for GM and can give you a discount (executive discount), which is the price I pay for the vehicle if I were to purchase one. My wife and I have a '04 Yukon, an '06 Caddy STS, and my company car right now is an '06 Yukon XL. My wife easily gets 18 mpg in her Yukon. I have not bothered to measure for my company car since they pay for gas and insurance (can't beat that!).

    Just PM me if interested. I say get the '07 Yukon or Tahoe (I like Yukons better b/c GMC is a little classier)
     
  9. imageWIS

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    I work for GM and can give you a discount (executive discount), which is the price I pay for the vehicle if I were to purchase one. My wife and I have a '04 Yukon, an '06 Caddy STS, and my company car right now is an '06 Yukon XL. My wife easily gets 18 mpg in her Yukon. I have not bothered to measure for my company car since they pay for gas and insurance (can't beat that!).

    Just PM me if interested. I say get the '07 Yukon or Tahoe (I like Yukons better b/c GMC is a little classier)


    Too bad they are put together about as well Malaysian cars...although Proton does own Lotus...you know what strike what I said, instead: too bad they are put together worse than Malaysian cars.

    Jon.
     
  10. bigbadbuff

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    Dirk, I did PM you, and that is very kind of you to offer.

    GM has improved quality control significantly from what I've read.
     
  11. dirk diggler

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    Dirk, I did PM you, and that is very kind of you to offer.

    GM has improved quality control significantly from what I've read.


    What the media does not report is that if Lexus were broken out separately from Toyota in quality studies, Toyota would be 5th or 6th in overall quality BEHIND Cadillac and Buick. The Japanese are good, but right now, the quality level in the overall market is so close that JD POwer had to revamp the rating systems since you might have 8 points (on a 1000 point scale) separating 1st from 6th !

    Don't sleep on an american car or truck . . . . .
     
  12. briancl

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    What the media does not report is that if Lexus were broken out separately from Toyota in quality studies, Toyota would be 5th or 6th in overall quality BEHIND Cadillac and Buick. The Japanese are good, but right now, the quality level in the overall market is so close that JD POwer had to revamp the rating systems since you might have 8 points (on a 1000 point scale) separating 1st from 6th !

    Don't sleep on an american car or truck . . . . .


    I never believe anything JD Power reports. Half the time it doesn't make sense.

    I have nothing against American cars as a general principle. However, when it comes down to individual desires and requirements, very rarely can I find one to recommend. They just always seem 2 or 3 steps behind in major categories such as styling (interior and exterior), performance (putting a big engine with super tall gearing to save on MPG does not make for a well performing vehicle), and value (resale on American cars is just embarassing).

    Being a Detroit resident, I have this conversation quite often with many friends who work for various parts of the Auto Industry. I've also been on the inside occasionally, and sometimes it can be depressing. Honestly, I hope for the day that I can go to my local big 3 dealer and buy a car, but I just don't see that day coming anytime soon.
     
  13. SUPER K

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    My vote is the 2007 Tahoe/Yukon. I'm on my third, 2001, 2004, 2007. The 07 is the best so far. Tighter steering and brakes than previous years, better ride, better interior. Think Audi interior. The wife has the 5 series BMW. It's great when you get dressed up and go out, but 90% of the time, I grab the Yukon. The engine seamlessly switches from 4 to 8 cylinders to save fuel, but it does spend most of the time in 8.Yea, you will spend more on fuel, but not enough to rule it out.
     
  14. bigbadbuff

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    Drove an RX350 today- very nice. The things that concerned me about the 330 (acceleration hesitation, crappy navigation system, reports of excessive rattles/squeaks) have been rumored to be taken care of with this update. The first 2 I can say have been- acceleration was much better than the 330 and no 'turbo lag' feel to it. The 3rd I will have to see reports on before saying this could be 'the one'. The nav is also MUCH better, probably the best I've seen in any brand yet. Certainly not as much room as a Yukon, or even MDX, but I was very, very comfortable in the back seat and I'm a big guy. I was also quite surprised that the tiny armrest in the driver's seat is just fine comfortwise. All the bells and whistles I want and they are going for under invoice in some parts of the country, won't be too long before I could get that deal in the VA/DC/MD area as well as there's apparently a ton of them on Lexus lots. Only thing I could nitpick is that the driver's side footwell is a little tight... not a ton of room to spread the legs out. Other than that, my 45 minutes spent with it were fantastic.

    Is anyone here really knowledgeable about putting together a lease offer? If so, and you wouldn't mind helping me create one, please PM me.
     
  15. skalogre

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    Drove an RX350 today- very nice. The things that concerned me about the 330 (acceleration hesitation, crappy navigation system, reports of excessive rattles/squeaks) have been rumored to be taken care of with this update. The first 2 I can say have been- acceleration was much better than the 330 and no 'turbo lag' feel to it. The 3rd I will have to see reports on before saying this could be 'the one'. The nav is also MUCH better, probably the best I've seen in any brand yet. Certainly not as much room as a Yukon, or even MDX, but I was very, very comfortable in the back seat and I'm a big guy. I was also quite surprised that the tiny armrest in the driver's seat is just fine comfortwise. All the bells and whistles I want and they are going for under invoice in some parts of the country, won't be too long before I could get that deal in the VA/DC/MD area as well as there's apparently a ton of them on Lexus lots. Only thing I could nitpick is that the driver's side footwell is a little tight... not a ton of room to spread the legs out. Other than that, my 45 minutes spent with it were fantastic.

    Is anyone here really knowledgeable about putting together a lease offer? If so, and you wouldn't mind helping me create one, please PM me.



    Good place to start:

    http://www.edmunds.com/advice/leasin...les/index.html
     
  16. DNW

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    Is anyone here really knowledgeable about putting together a lease offer? If so, and you wouldn't mind helping me create one, please PM me.

    I can help you with the lease arithmetics. You will need the following information: invoice, selling price, lease length, residual value, money factor, disposition fee, and tax rate. The money factor is the lease equivalent of an interest rate. A dealer shouldn't make more than 0.00040 profit over the buy rate. If you get a quote from a dealer, make sure you get all of the above information. They are useful for negotiation purposes.
     
  17. bigbadbuff

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    After MUCH debate, countless test drives, overnighting vehicles, and crunching data... we've settled on the RX350. A short blurb on each of the finalists:

    Chevy Tahoe/GMC Yukon- in the end, I couldn't justify needing that much room- and that had to be a necessity given the vehicle cost, insurance, and relatively poor gas mileage. This IS GM's best overall vehicle in a long time IMO; but even with the fantastic pricing I got (well below invoice) it wasn't quite enough. If I had kids, a boat, etc. it stood a better chance.

    Acura MDX- they are simply blowing the 06 models out the door in preparation for the 07s; I was cutting into EVERYTHING with the dealers... incentive, holdback, etc. and easily getting ok's of only $300 TRUE profit to the dealer, bringing loaded Touring versions down into the mid 30s. Only 1 problem- after driving it for an hour, I hated how it felt. Probably the stiffest seats I've ever sat in. Backseat did not recline and is set at a poor angle IMO, almost straight up. It was also gnawing at me that my 03 Accord had practically the same bells and whistles (and in some cases better versions) as the 06 version of Honda's lux line. Had this been more comfortable and had a couple more items I wanted it easily would have been our pick, as my wife loved the roominess and comfort factor, and the price was great. However, the things above- coupled with the 2 worst dealership experiences of my life (and the only Acura dealer within 80 miles, so my only choice if I needed warranty work done) soured me on it.

    Lexus RX350- there were many reasons I didn't want to like this. The most expensive choice on our list. Egg shaped. The least amount of cargo space. The fact we'd be buying a new Lexus in our 20s (brand connotations I didn't want, similar to what BMW owners have to put up with). I intentionally checked it out first hoping it would fade once I saw other things- it didn't. When I got in, I didn't want to get out. Everything I envisioned us using it for- daily driver for me, escorting friends/family, vacations, golf outings, shopping- it was perfect. The worst thing I can say about it is that the armrest should be a center console instead of attaching to the chairs. Considering how picky I am, that is quite a compliment. Lexus wins.

    I'll post a pic when I get it... thanks a ton for everyone's help.
     
  18. mussel

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    Great choice. Lexus is famous for its high resale value and reliability. My friend has a Lexus with 150,000 miles on it without any major repair except for replacing a timing belt, and it's still going strong. You may pay close to or full sticker for it but the long term repair cost is very low. Just keep up with the regular maintenance and you won't expect any problems with the car. What options did you chooce?
     
  19. bigbadbuff

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    we're getting the Premium Plus package with Navigation. There are plenty of them on the lots in VA/MD so I am getting a good deal. I simply take invoice, subtract dealer holdback, add x dollars that I feel is a fair profit for them and that's my offer.

    I angle it as I am ready to buy, know exactly what I want and will be in/out of the dealership as quick as they can get me thru, easy and quick money for them. Some are willing to play that game, most aren't- most drop out as soon as you make it clear you're sticking to invoice level pricing. I avoid the regular salespeople at all costs, and the few times I had to deal with them face to face was a painful reminder of why. Not all were like that (Lexus was actually professional and helpful on both visits) but most seemed to be trying to do everything possible to make me buy a car that day at MSRP- in other words, treating me like an idiot that does no research and is susceptible to their bullying tactics. I should have known better, but I expected more professional behavior at the luxury dealerships... t'was not to be.
     
  20. kitonbrioni

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    Get a Scion--they're cheap, get good gas mileage, and are ungly as homemade sin. No one will envy you.
     

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