Help me buy a gun.

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  1. Dmax

    Dmax Senior member

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    I'd recommend a Beretta. Small. Easy to use, but not TOO easy (like a glock).

    Not to hijack, but I'm curious-----let's say a friend inherited a pistol (with all the papers) from Anton Chekhov (for example) and did not want it; is there a proper way of disposing of it? Can you sell someone else's gun to a reputable dealer if you have the appropriate documentation? Anyone ever sell a gun to the cops? Or should my friend just throw it in a river? Or trade it for an ounce of herb?

    I don't want to stick around for the third act...



    PA has no gun registration so if you have a gun in your posession it is yours. You probably know it already but you can sell the pistol to any gun shop for cash. I am not 100% sure but PA law most likely allows face-to-face transfers between individuals without any documentation. If PA law requires a Federal Firearms Licensed Dealer for Face-to-face transfer then you can find a local buyer and go to a FFL Dealer who will charge you a small fee to run the Federal Instant check on the buyer and complete the transaction. Again, I think in PA you don't need to go to a FFL Dealer.

    You can also advertise you pistol on one of the gun sites like here http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=7&f=88

    If you want to sell a pistol to someone out of state you will have to go to a gun store and have a FFL ship the pistol to the buyer's FFL. The gun dealers usually charge aroudn $25 for this service.

    If you can post the type of pistol in question here I can estimate it's going value.
     


  2. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    you have recieved some excelllent advice here. I would suggest this - what is the actual threat that you would like to meet? is your wife's ex a meth dealer who just got out of jail? or does your town have an occasional break in? are you intending to defend your house, or your person on the street? how much effort are you willing to put into meeting this threat? how much money? how likly are the threats that you percieve?

    each of these questions will lead you in a diffent direction. like J, and a few other said, look at alternatives - I am a big advocate of sprays and batons, but I am comfortable with my ability to use a baton. I would say that knives should be your obsolute last choice. but for most threats, a good spray is an excellent choice.

    if you think that the main threat you may face will be in the house - think about a shotgun. if you honestly think that carrying a handgun will make you safer, consider changing your habbits, or, go with the type of handgun Kai was suggesting - something leathal that is not over the top.


    most important - get training. if you are not 100% comfortable with the operation of your weapon, you will end up facing a tragedy one day. shooting somebody is not as simple as you think, it is a great deal more about operating the weapon under pressue than anything else.
     


  3. Thomas

    Thomas Senior member

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    Adding to the dogpile: I live in Texas so I am by default a gun owner - I have shot pistols and rifles since middle school, as have many of my peers, friends, and neighbors. IF you opt for a firearm, you should understand there is more to it than just buying six bullets and carrying it around everywhere.

    First, you had better know the laws. Not all law-enforcement personnel know the laws completely and will seize a firearm if there is any question on their part. Mere possession is illegal in some circumstances. Not worth jail time.
    If you opt to continue,

    Second, you should get proficient with usage and maintenance. You will need to learn to take it apart and put it together, or it will be useless in short order.

    Third, test multiple guns to get what you like. You might think that the .44 Magnum is right up your alley until you try to fit it into a holster or shoot it a few times. Good ranges offer classes and different models of guns

    Practice is key here. To become proficient you'll need to spend time on the range consistently, since your skills will become rusty over time and you'll forget the small details. If you're at long range you'll have to compensate for aiming adjustments. If you're encountered at short range you had better have practiced your draw, since - even here - we don't carry our guns in our hands.

    What I hope to impart is this: I know people who have guns but refuse to carry since it is such a commitment in time and effort. Like Chekhov said, guns that appear in the first act get fired in the third act. Better to keep your wits about you and avoid signs of trouble than escalate a bad sitaution that you may not be able to get out of.
     


  4. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    Ohio.

    I know fuck all about guns and have little intention of shooting one at a range in which accuracy is that big of a concern. Feel free to attempt to talk sense into me as well, as I am entirely out of my element.

    Dude, for your own good don't be an idiot. Going to the range is not about getting bragging rights about how many bullseyes you score. It's about knowing wtf you're doing and feeling comfortable handling a very dangerous weapon.
     


  5. batorizer

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    no one cares what a gun looks like, it's all about how it performs. if you ever get into a life or death situation where you must use your firearm 1) you want it to fire 2) you want it to stop your attacker. with that in mind a .357 or .38 snub-nose revolver (since revolvers don't jam) will be the best option to carry, considering that in states where you can get a ccl, if you have your gun visible AT ALL (including a bulge under your coat) in public can land you a felony firearm possesion charge
     


  6. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    considering that in states where you can get a ccl, if you have your gun visible AT ALL (including a bulge under your coat) in public can land you a felony firearm possesion charge

    I'm sorry - are you saying that if you have a concealed carry liscense, letting your firearm show is illigal?
     


  7. Arethusa

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    It can be. In some places, like Texas or Virginia, you might not get any trouble. In Connecticut, you'll get arrested very quickly on charges of disturbing the peace, at least. All three of these, ironically, have similar open carry laws, but it basically comes down to culture and "enforcement discretion", as it were. I can't comment on the felony possession charge, but that seems less likely. At the very most, you may get charged and arrested, but it wouldn't stand in court.
     


  8. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    sometimes america seems a little weird to me....
     


  9. Huntsman

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    I know fuck all about guns and have little intention of shooting one at a range in which accuracy is that big of a concern. Feel free to attempt to talk sense into me as well, as I am entirely out of my element.
    No offense, but your attitude is precisely that of someone who I would not want owning a gun, any gun, ever. I say this not as an anti-gunner, but as a collector and marksman who, incidentally, burnt something on the order of a thousand rounds this weekend, and shoots weekly. Even a shooter who is purely and only interested in defense must make a commitment to the magnitude of the responsibility they are carrying. That requires specific training and/or extensive familiarity with gun ownership, handling, and the entirely different world that is represented by those terms when under the stress of a lethal force situation. You say you are not interested in accuracy. When you miss the mugger and shoot a pregnant woman in the head and get sued for your life's worth (presuming you have enough humanity to feel that you have a life worth something at that point), you'll wish you cared about accuracy. BTW, that is not a ficitional thing I just made up. So maybe you have some horror of shooting at paper bullseyes. Fine. First, deal with it when you take your NRA or other safety course. Then sign up with the International Defensive Pistol Association and train in their matches -- designed to emulate lethal force situations, shoot/no-shoot discrimination and an emphasis on using your brain under stress. I think you should do all of this before you even think about purchasing a handgun. Furthermore, when you have done so, you won't need anyone's advice here, and if you still want it, ask again. I, and others, will be happy to help, and then you'll have the knowledge to better judge our suggestions. If we are not reading your subtext properly and you have a pressing immediate need, I suggest a bodyguard. Much safer in the short run, for you and everyone else. Regards, Huntsman ps: Regarding batons -- keep in mind that some states, even those with liberal gun laws, consider collapsible batons to be 'prohibited offensive weapons' in the same class as large knives.
     


  10. Huntsman

    Huntsman Senior member

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    I can't comment on the felony possession charge, but that seems less likely.

    You're right to my knowledge -- I have never heard of felony charges unless you are 'brandishing' a weapon.
     


  11. Huntsman

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    PA has no gun registration so if you have a gun in your posession it is yours. You probably know it already but you can sell the pistol to any gun shop for cash. I am not 100% sure but PA law most likely allows face-to-face transfers between individuals without any documentation. If PA law requires a Federal Firearms Licensed Dealer for Face-to-face transfer then you can find a local buyer and go to a FFL Dealer who will charge you a small fee to run the Federal Instant check on the buyer and complete the transaction. Again, I think in PA you don't need to go to a FFL Dealer. .
    PA law requires an FFL to transfer any handgun to anyone. Of course there are some concessions for certain antiques (in the legal, not subjective, sense), but he should get an FFL's ruling. Longarms are different. ~ Huntsman
     


  12. Huntsman

    Huntsman Senior member

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    I'd ask a similar question except that I'm looking to buy a handgun because I enjoy shooting. I have no expectation that it will be used in the near future for anything other than shooting at a range. I'm currently vacillating between a 1) small-caliber auto because the gun/ammo cost less and it's easier to shoot and 2) some variation of the .45 1911 becaus of its elegant and classic design and its potential to be used for things other than target shooting.

    dah, there is a convenient way to combine both 1) and 2). Buy a Kimber .22 that is on a fullsize 1911 frame. That way you get an excellent target gun in the form you find appealing.

    You could also get a Colt .45 and a conversion kit to shoot .22 out of it. Colt made them in the past, Ciener and others (especially Kart) make them today.

    Regards,
    Huntsman
     


  13. Huntsman

    Huntsman Senior member

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    sometimes america seems a little weird to me....

    Actually it seems alot weird to me quite often. All the same, if people carried openly in this society there would be alot of people freaking out, and alot more guys open carrying ever more absurd guns as another way of showing how 'badass' (in the pejorative sense, not the cool sense) they are.

    Regards,
    Huntsman
     


  14. j

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    Open carry would be pretty much impossible here. Even if you could instantly institute it and not have people freak, you'd still have to have so much of a retention system that you couldn't even get it out. Otherwise you'd get ambushed and have your $800 H&K taken pretty quick.

    Random thoughts that come to mind: more people are carrying guns at any time than you (the average person that is) probably think, by far. Lots of contractors and trades people (electricians, tile guys, etc). Motorcyclists, I hadn't realized, but in general are very, very likely to be carrying. Usually the ones that are are not the badass looking ones, but the ones in all the expensive gear who take things seriously, and they are a good choice to run to if you randomly need help with a bad situation. Anyone who's been on the road for long periods of time gets used to dealing with all kinds of situations.
     


  15. VMan

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    Open carry would be pretty much impossible here. Even if you could instantly institute it and not have people freak, you'd still have to have so much of a retention system that you couldn't even get it out. Otherwise you'd get ambushed and have your $800 H&K taken pretty quick. Random thoughts that come to mind: more people are carrying guns at any time than you (the average person that is) probably think, by far. Lots of contractors and trades people (electricians, tile guys, etc). Motorcyclists, I hadn't realized, but in general are very, very likely to be carrying. Usually the ones that are are not the badass looking ones, but the ones in all the expensive gear who take things seriously, and they are a good choice to run to if you randomly need help with a bad situation. Anyone who's been on the road for long periods of time gets used to dealing with all kinds of situations.
    A buddy of mine was telling me a story: A few weeks ago he and some friends were on a street that has quite a few college bars on it. However, this street is located in a nice area, but about 6-8 blocks down the busy road and across the river it turns into a very high crime area. Anyway, they were driving down this road and he had to slam on the brakes because a man and a woman were running across the road drenched in blood, followed by a guy wielding a kitchen knife. All of a sudden these two Harley bikers on the other side of the road fly up, ditch their bikes, pull out pistols and beat the shit out of the guy with the knife. So yeah, if I ever find myself in a situation, I'm gonna look for the nearest biker.
     


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