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Help gladhands pick out a whipped wagon

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by gladhands, May 2, 2011.

  1. gladhands

    gladhands Senior member

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    My wife just had our first child and will be moving from Boston to Pittsburgh, so it's time to add a second car. We're looking for a wagonish vehicle with awd or 4wd to deal with the hills and snow in our new city. I'm not interested in an SUV.

    Right now my wife and I are considerign the Honda Crosstour and Audi A3. Thoughts? Suggestions?
     
  2. Douglas

    Douglas Senior member

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    First: Congratulations!

    You might consider the Subarus as they offer good value in that sort of vehicle. I considered them recently. If you're looking at Audis, you might also consider BMW, though I think a 3-series wagon is a few steps up in price over the A3. Be aware the A3 is not all that huge, though it's a nice vehicle. The 3-series wagon is fantastic but they are hard as hell to find.

    Overall, I still think Subaru is a good place to start.
     
  3. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    does it have to be brand new? You can often get good deals on some great wagons if they're used, and when I say used, I mean in hunter green over tan, driven by old rich people who did service at the dealers. I'd rather buy a mildly used 535XiT than get either of the two you mentioned.
     
  4. gladhands

    gladhands Senior member

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    First: Congratulations!

    You might consider the Subarus as they offer good value in that sort of vehicle. I considered them recently. If you're looking at Audis, you might also consider BMW, though I think a 3-series wagon is a few steps up in price over the A3. Be aware the A3 is not all that huge, though it's a nice vehicle. The 3-series wagon is fantastic but they are hard as hell to find.

    Overall, I still think Subaru is a good place to start.


    Is the 3-series wagon available in AWD?

    does it have to be brand new? You can often get good deals on some great wagons if they're used, and when I say used, I mean in hunter green over tan, driven by old rich people who did service at the dealers. I'd rather buy a mildly used 535XiT than get either of the two you mentioned.

    I'm willing to go used. She is not. You pick your battles, and this is not one I felt like fighting.
     
  5. Douglas

    Douglas Senior member

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    Is the 3-series wagon available in AWD?

    They make it for sure, but as I said they're hard as hell to find. You might have to order it, which means long waits and full boat list.
     
  6. Bradden

    Bradden Well-Known Member

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    Congrats !

    Look at the Ford Edge, the newer ones are better on gas, they also have a generous back seat to fit the car seat plus all the other baby necessities. They are also rather quiet.
     
  7. dcg

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    To throw something out there that hasn't been mentioned, how about the Jetta TDI SportWagen?

    edit - crap, not 4WD/AWD.
     
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    Just my opinion but you'll want to get something as roomy as possible relative to wheelbase. Nixing SUVs limits your choice at that point. Check out Volvo.
     
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    edit - crap, not 4WD/AWD.
    Right, god forbid someone buy proper snow tires. My wife drove our Blizzak-shod Odyssey like f'ing Juha Kankkunen this winter around dopes in useless SUVs on no-season tires. Tires. They're where it's at.
     
  10. gladhands

    gladhands Senior member

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    To throw something out there that hasn't been mentioned, how about the Jetta TDI SportWagen?

    edit - crap, not 4WD/AWD.


    This would have won if it came in AWD. The TDI option is part of what drew us to the A3.
     
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    Right, god forbid someone buy proper snow tires. My wife drove our Blizzak-shod Odyssey like f'ing Juha Kankkunen this winter around dopes in useless SUVs on no-season tires.

    Tires. They're where it's at.


    x2 Love seeing big trucks and SUVs in the ditches as I go right on past with my little fwd hatchback.
     
  12. Tck13

    Tck13 Senior member

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    First: Congratulations!

    You might consider the Subarus as they offer good value in that sort of vehicle. I considered them recently. If you're looking at Audis, you might also consider BMW, though I think a 3-series wagon is a few steps up in price over the A3. Be aware the A3 is not all that huge, though it's a nice vehicle. The 3-series wagon is fantastic but they are hard as hell to find.

    Overall, I still think Subaru is a good place to start.




    +1 LOVE and recommend Subarus.
     
  13. dcg

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    Right, god forbid someone buy proper snow tires. My wife drove our Blizzak-shod Odyssey like f'ing Juha Kankkunen this winter around dopes in useless SUVs on no-season tires.

    Tires. They're where it's at.


    You're preaching to the choir; I buy snow tires for all my vehicles. Just going by the requirements listed in the OP.
     
  14. gladhands

    gladhands Senior member

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    You're preaching to the choir; I buy snow tires for all my vehicles. Just going by the requirements listed in the OP.

    Do you drive on them all year or rotate seasonally?
     
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    Rotate seasonally, with each set on a spare set of rims. I put my snows on Dec. 1 and pull them off March 18. Just mark them with chalk when you pull them off (RF, LF, RR, LR) so you know which is which (and can rotate as appropriate). If you have them on a spare set of rims and a floor jack, it's a 15-minute job.

    If you haven't driven a front wheel-drive car with real snow tires, you're in for a treat. So long as what you're driving on can reasonably be described as a "road," you'll have no trouble. The safety and control increase is tremendous.
     
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    Maybe a little off topic but I live in Pittsburgh. I think the public perception of Pittsburgh winters is that they are more severe than they actually are. I would expect less major storms and heavy snow than Boston. Pittsburgh gets a lot of wet, wintry days but maybe a handful of heavy snows per season.

    ps - if you happen to need Pittsburgh specific advice, feel free to pm me.
     
  17. dcg

    dcg Senior member

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    Do you drive on them all year or rotate seasonally?

    Pretty much what bigbjorn said. Except the tires on my S2000 are staggered and directional so no rotating for me.
     
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    Right, god forbid someone buy proper snow tires. My wife drove our Blizzak-shod Odyssey like f'ing Juha Kankkunen this winter around dopes in useless SUVs on no-season tires.

    Tires. They're where it's at.


    You win with this reference.
     
  19. bigbjorn

    bigbjorn Senior member

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    BTW, you definitely don't want to drive on snow tires all year.

    One of the things that make snow tires so exceptional is that their compound is very very soft, which means that even at temperatures below freezing you will get compound grip, in addition to mechanical grip. However, this soft compound will make them wear very quickly above 50d F.

    BTW, this is another little-understood thing about summer and all-season tires -- because they are optimized to work between 50 and 80 d F, they harden significantly at freezing temperatures, which decreases compound grip, even on bare asphalt.

    The softer compound, in addition to the decreased land/sea ratio of winter tires (what you might call "more tread"), is an important component in their performance. Tires... they're not just round and black.
     
  20. dcg

    dcg Senior member

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    OP could import a Forester STI [​IMG]

    Except that I don't think they make one for the current gen, which is now more of an SUV.
     

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