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Help! College Colors for ties.

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Sam Hober, Oct 10, 2006.

  1. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    Someone needs to capitalize on this nascent bespoke "pocket protector" market.

    hey now...
     
  2. Tokyo Slim

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    hey now...
    easy tiger... don't fog up your glasses... hehe
     
  3. Sam Hober

    Sam Hober Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Penn should be equal blocks of red and blue. Usually I see Dartmouth, Stanford, and Harvard repps with the dominant school colour (green, cardinal, crimson) as a wider stripe, and a narrow white stripe. Having them be equal size could be a nice touch, though perhaps not completely authentic and also more casual and summery to my eye. I can't remember seeing an MIT tie being worn; it seems to me that school ties aren't their sort of thing. All the more reason to make one? Maybe, maybe not.
    Equal Blocks could be interesting. What width were you thinking of? I used to prefer thinner stripes like this classic tie: http://www.samhober.com/store/Englis...5-p-16920.html But recently I have been very interested in bolder equal bands of color. I am working (an unrelated project not connected to this college series) on a multi-color design now for a client that will be very bright and cheerful. An MIT tie could be a stroke of genius, then again it might not.. (smiling). I shall have to ponder the matter. I did some research on the Penn colors, please note the flag discussion: [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] University of Pennsylvania [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]History of Penn Colors[/FONT]
    [​IMG] "The Red and the Blue" Vol. I, No. 2 published March 15, 1889
    "When were the Red and Blue first used as Penn's colors? Francis James Dallett, then the University Archivist, answered this question in the Daily Pennsylvanian of 23 November 1983:
    "The earliest known representation of the combined Penn colors, red and blue, is as reported: on the incised letters of the lid of the 1871 College Hall cornerstone. I am unable to trace the use of either color as having any prior use on any document or artifact which would indicate any special significance to the institution; of course, the two colors do reflect the colors of the national flag. The whole business of assigned institutional colors is a 19th century phenomenon, perhaps with roots in the Romantic Age in the commercial vein of the 'assigned' tartans of the Scottish clans who had no defined plaids earlier. Eighteenth century American academic institutions simply did not have colors."​
    Exactly which shades of red and blue are those of the University? The University has used different shades of red and blue at different times over the past century. Hopefully the University has been faithful to a resolution adopted by the Trustees on 17 May 1910:
    "The colors shall be red and blue,...The colors shall conform to the present standards used by the United States Government in its flags."​
    In the nineteenth century there were no official standards for the colors of the United States flag. The federal government and private manufacturers did not follow the same color guidelines, and private manufacturers in particular tended to use whatever shades of red and blue cloth that were available. Later the garment industry developed the first precise color standards and presented them as the Standard Color Card of America. When the first government standards were established for the flag in the 1930s, the specified shade of blue, "national flag blue," was the same blue-black in common use for police uniforms. In the 1960's the shades of the flag colors were officially designated as "Old Glory" red and "Old Glory" blue. These colors are not designated by law, but are listed in the GSA technical specifications for manufacturers. Today the Standard Color Card of America standards have been superseded by the Panatone Matching System (PMS). According to the PMS system, the PMS number for national flag blue is 282, while the current flag colors are PMS color blue 281 and PMS color red 193. A darker "burgundy" red and a dark blue were adopted many years ago as competition colors by Penn Athletics and these colors have long been preferred by Development and Alumni Relations. About 1986, PMS red 201 and PMS blue 288 were established as the specification for all official University printed material; these are the standards Facilities Services uses when selecting paint colors."
     
  4. Sam Hober

    Sam Hober Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Georgetown - blue and grey (though silver would work fine). I would love to be able to get a custom sized one in high quality silk.
    Abc123, What sort of design did you have in mind?
     
  5. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red Senior member

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    Mr. Hober, I see the Longhorn on your site, but am unable to locate the Columbia, which, though not a football fan, I would buy in a New York minute.
     
  6. coachvu

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    Coachvu,

    Black and gold are good colors. When you have a moment please let me know how small you were thinking about for stripes.

    I understand what you mean about bookstore ties. Have no fear these ties will be fully bespoke like all of our ties. Length, width, shape & construction. The only challenge is getting the colors correct.


    Well, nothing bigger than 1/2", but I think 1/4" might look even better. I think larger stripes in those colors may be too overpowering.
     
  7. Sam Hober

    Sam Hober Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Mr. Hober, I see the Longhorn on your site, but am unable to locate the Columbia, which, though not a football fan, I would buy in a New York minute.
    Hello Nantucket Red, We only have the Longhorn today. The college colors tie series is a new project that was sparked by an interest in the Longhorn tie. We have had a request for a Columbia tie in light blue and white with equal 3/4" inch wide stripes. What do you think about that stripe pattern? I lived in Mitaka on the west side of Tokyo for 5 years where do you live?
     
  8. chorse123

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    That Longhorn tie is fantastic. I may consider that for my first order. By the by, I really like the idea of college rep ties. I'm sure some of the colors will appeal to buyers even if they didn't go to the school. Just keep away from crests and the like!
     
  9. Thurston

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    Equal Blocks could be interesting. What width were you thinking of? I used to prefer thinner stripes like this classic tie:

    http://www.samhober.com/store/Englis...5-p-16920.html

    But recently I have been very interested in bolder equal bands of color. I am working (an unrelated project not connected to this college series) on a multi-color design now for a client that will be very bright and cheerful.

    An MIT tie could be a stroke of genius, then again it might not.. (smiling). I shall have to ponder the matter.

    I did some research on the Penn colors, please note the flag discussion:

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] University of Pennsylvania[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]History of Penn Colors[/FONT]
    [​IMG]
    "The Red and the Blue"
    Vol. I, No. 2 published March 15, 1889
    "When were the Red and Blue first used as Penn's colors?
    Francis James Dallett, then the University Archivist, answered this question in the Daily Pennsylvanian of 23 November 1983:

    "The earliest known representation of the combined Penn colors, red and blue, is as reported: on the incised letters of the lid of the 1871 College Hall cornerstone. I am unable to trace the use of either color as having any prior use on any document or artifact which would indicate any special significance to the institution; of course, the two colors do reflect the colors of the national flag. The whole business of assigned institutional colors is a 19th century phenomenon, perhaps with roots in the Romantic Age in the commercial vein of the 'assigned' tartans of the Scottish clans who had no defined plaids earlier. Eighteenth century American academic institutions simply did not have colors."​
    Exactly which shades of red and blue are those of the University?
    The University has used different shades of red and blue at different times over the past century. Hopefully the University has been faithful to a resolution adopted by the Trustees on 17 May 1910:

    "The colors shall be red and blue,...The colors shall conform to the present standards used by the United States Government in its flags."​
    In the nineteenth century there were no official standards for the colors of the United States flag. The federal government and private manufacturers did not follow the same color guidelines, and private manufacturers in particular tended to use whatever shades of red and blue cloth that were available.
    Later the garment industry developed the first precise color standards and presented them as the Standard Color Card of America. When the first government standards were established for the flag in the 1930s, the specified shade of blue, "national flag blue," was the same blue-black in common use for police uniforms. In the 1960's the shades of the flag colors were officially designated as "Old Glory" red and "Old Glory" blue. These colors are not designated by law, but are listed in the GSA technical specifications for manufacturers.
    Today the Standard Color Card of America standards have been superseded by the Panatone Matching System (PMS). According to the PMS system, the PMS number for national flag blue is 282, while the current flag colors are PMS color blue 281 and PMS color red 193.
    A darker "burgundy" red and a dark blue were adopted many years ago as competition colors by Penn Athletics and these colors have long been preferred by Development and Alumni Relations. About 1986, PMS red 201 and PMS blue 288 were established as the specification for all official University printed material; these are the standards Facilities Services uses when selecting paint colors."


    Here's what the Penn tie looks like today.http://upenn.bkstore.com/images/imag...oduct_id=26671

    Mine is from the mid eighties and I still wear it. It is a traditional repp weave, not what is shown in this picture. I love the fact that the tag on the back says The Bookstore.
     
  10. Nantucket Red

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    Hello Nantucket Red,

    We only have the Longhorn today. The college colors tie series is a new project that was sparked by an interest in the Longhorn tie.

    We have had a request for a Columbia tie in light blue and white with equal 3/4" inch wide stripes. What do you think about that stripe pattern?

    I lived in Mitaka on the west side of Tokyo for 5 years where do you live?


    It sounds perfect and much better than any Columbia-branded thing available.

    I'm in Shinkawa (Chuo-ku), which is between Ginza and Akihabara (Hatchobori on the Hibiya line).
     
  11. Cantabrigian

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    I think you need a nice Harvard magenta... [​IMG]
     
  12. abc123

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    Abc123,

    What sort of design did you have in mind?


    Something like this bowtie I have from J Press. Its pretty simple, and I feel like it would probably appeal to people who arent G-town grads/students as well.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red Senior member

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    But those blue crab cargo pants are so much more compelling.
     
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    abc123 Senior member

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    But those blue crab cargo pants are so much more compelling.

    [​IMG] Yeah, the infamous crab and lobster shorts.

    On a side note, if one were to make a crab and lobster tie, I would be unable to resist purchasing it (and this would get me in big trouble).
     
  16. Thomas

    Thomas Senior member

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    I will refrain from suggesting Texas A&M (maroon & white) but will add an illustrative story.

    I show up to a training session in standard corp attire - charcoal suit, white shirt, maroon tie with 3/4" while polka dots. The gent next to me arrives in identical attire, including the tie. To add to things, we were of similar build, face color, and hair color, and had graduated from A&M on the same day. I changed my tie at the lunch break.

    That said, I do find the Longhorn tie appealing and hope your future ties are very lucrative for you.
     
  17. Beckwith

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    I am putting in a vote for the Maize and Blue of Michigan, that should make a sharp tie.
     
  18. designprofessor

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    I'll put in a vote for University of Oklahoma
    Crimson /cream

    Thinman?
     
  19. Will

    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Here's what the Penn tie looks like today.http://upenn.bkstore.com/images/imag...oduct_id=26671

    Mine is from the mid eighties and I still wear it. It is a traditional repp weave, not what is shown in this picture. I love the fact that the tag on the back says The Bookstore.


    I'd be mildly interested in a Penn tie but it's a challenge combining that particular blue and red so it's not boring as well as dull. The U.S. flag benefits from the addition of white.
     
  20. rdawson808

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    Any Huskies out there? one vote for the University of Washington's purple and gold.

    However, I would never wear a tie that is too boldly gold. The gold would have to be overwhelmed by the purple.

    Here is the only one I can find on-line
    [​IMG]

    Note how much gold there is--ugh. I wonder if all purple with rep stripes made of the W logo in gold would work? There is also an official Washington Grey that looks nice.



    bob
     

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