Help choosing between 4 suits - pictures

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  1. bta3

    bta3 Member

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    I'd love to hear feedback on the following 4 suits. Well, 3 actually since I posted about the 4th earlier and the consensus was too big. I just left it in for reference.

    I ordered these recently during some of the online sales that were going on. Everything is still returnable. I'm only looking to keep 1 or 2. I realize all will require some minor adjustments such as bringing the sleeves up.

    Suit 1
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    Suit 2
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    Suit 3
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    Suit 4
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  2. bigbucky

    bigbucky Senior member

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    It would help if you buttoned it unless you plan on wearing it like that. All the shoulders look too big to me, but I'm sure others will know more.
     


  3. bta3

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    Thanks for the reply bigbucky - I appreciate it.

    Regarding your reply - I actually hardly ever button my jacket. Maybe outside if the wind is blowing. But for the most part I leave the jacket unbuttoned.

    Suits 3 and 4 felt big in the shoulders. The padding seemed to extend barely beyond the end of my shoulder. So those will probably get eliminated from consideration - I just wanted confirmation here. Suits 1 and 2 the padding felt like it ended right at my shoulder.

    The past month I've been trying on a lot of 42L and 43L suits for shoulder fit. Some 42L suits just feel snug in the shoulders and you can see pulling in the back. Other 42L suits appear to be cut more generously and fit well in the shoulders. With the 43L suits, it's been similar but reversed. The generously cut 43L suits are too big (Hickey Freeman Madison model is suit 4) and the slimmer cuts seem to fit well in the shoulders.
     


  4. EFV

    EFV Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It's impossible to assess these suits if you don't button them. Also post pics of how the trousĀ“ legs break. Frankly, if you don't want to button your suit, then maybe you're not a suit kind of guy :). Don't want to sound like an asshole, just giving you my five cents.
     


  5. bta3

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    EFV - no offense taken, I appreciate your honesty. And you're right. I'm not a suit guy. But I've got to wear them occasionally for work and I'd like to look nice even if I prefer not to wear them.

    I'll try to take a few more picts and post them. I didn't realize how important it was to button the jacket.
     


  6. SaveMeJebus

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    They all look fairly large on you. What's your height/weight if you don't mind us asking? I'm consistently a 42L and generally hope that my suits don't appear that baggy on me. Then again, I also own a black suit, so anything I say is heresy and the word of the devil.
     


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    If you're going to wear them unbuttoned, I'd say go with the cheapest one, since it's damn near impossible to tell which one fits best when unbuttoned. As one of the earlier posters mentioned, it looks like they're all too big in the shoulders, which is the most important part to fit, everything else can be adjusted.
     
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  8. unbelragazzo

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    Add me to chorus of jacket-buttoners. But having said that, I think I like 2 the best. Although they all seem a bit big in the shoulders. But 2 has the best length and has shoulders that aren't quite so boxy as the other 3.
     


  9. bta3

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    Don't mind at all - 6'2" 195
     


  10. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    Btw, you'll find a lot of variance in shoulder sizes based on the cut of the suit, even holding fixed the chest size. I usually wear a 42, but I have seen shoulder measurements on size 42 suits vary from 18" to 20.5". So just because you're a size 42 doesn't mean that every size 42 jacket will fit you.
     


  11. bta3

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    I might need some clarification on "[the shoulders are] the most important part to fit, everything else can be adjusted."

    When I originally posted suit 4 a few weeks ago, it was suggested I try a 42. So I went to Off 5th and Nordstrom Rack and just began trying on jackets. Some of the 42L jackets did seem to fit pretty well in the shoulders in that the shoulder padding seemed to end right where my shoulders ended. But when I'd turn around, the fabric under the collar had stretch marks. And on some when I did button the jacket the lapels bulged a bit. Can those things be fixed and I shouldn't worry about the fabric stretching in the back or the lapels bulging? When I saw those two problems - I just assumed it wasn't fitting in the shoulders. But I may have misunderstood what fitting in the shoulders meant.
     


  12. Master-Classter

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    all fairly 'meh' in my opinion (which is to say they don't make you look fantastic)

    I like # 2 the most, although the button point looks higher than the others.


    #1 is my second choice (I like the pattern) and the shoulders aren't great but acceptable.

    #4 - boxy wide shoulders and big pants, it actually looks like a fairly flashy/baller suit but I don't think the cut's doing anything for you.


    about the 'shoulders' point - basically a tailor can open up and work with many parts of the jacket, but an operation like shortening a sleeve or taking in the back is a lot easier than say, shortening the body. The shoulders and chest of a suit are really it's heart and have the most complexity, so generally you want to make sure those parts fit you properly since they're difficult to adjust, ie expensive, and often impossible to really change the way they fit. If the shoulders don't fit you, or don't have a look that works well with your body shape, then the rest is sort of moot.

    if the lapels bulge, it's either becuase the chest is a bit too narrow/small, or the button stance is high, or both. Not a big deal if it's minimal, whereas wide shoulders looks sloppy. Look at the what are you wearing pics and get a sense of what 'shape' means and what shoulders taht 'fit' look like.


    hope that helps.
     


  13. Gdot

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    The shoulders on both 1 and 2 look about right to me. Or to be more precise - I suspect they will when you BUTTON YOUR JACKET and take another pic! :D You should keep your jacket buttoned at all times except when sitting down. This is one of those 'absolute' rules of menswear.

    Between 1 and 2 the bigger consideration is, as master claster mentioned, the height of the button stance, and , in my opinion, the proportion and angle of the lapels.

    To me, suit #1 is more appealing than #2 in this regard. You will find that WHEN BUTTONED :D suit #1 will expose a longer v shaped portion of your shirt and #2 will expose a shorter v shaped area. In my opinion the shape of suit #1 will be more flattering in that it will make your torso seem wider at the top and leaner in the middle. And isn't that what we all want?

    My only reservation regarding #1 is the window pane fabric, which would be considered a bit casual in the most formal business environments. But unless you meet with Bankers, Lawyers, etc. etc. in Manhatten I doubt that anyone else will give a rat's a%% about that tired old rule!

    Whatever you do - do NOT keep two of these suits - as they are too much the same color. If you want a second suit you will want to find one in a different color for the sake of variety. My suggestion to you would be to make that second color a dark navy - good for semi formal evenings, weddings, funerals, and occasional business use as well.
     


  14. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    This might just mean you need the collar lowered as opposed to any problem with the shoulder width. Was some of the fabric kind of puckering up and bulging as if you had a little humpback?
     


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    They all look too big and generally ill-fitting. I would take them all back and start again. Maybe a little research on what you should be seeking would not go amiss...
     


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