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Helmut Lang Winter Coat = Worth $900?

Sherman90

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I've been searching for the ideal winter coat for a while now. Recently walked into Holt Renfrew here in Toronto and may very well have found it. Called the "Melton" hooded coat by Helmut Lang. Beautiful materials, excellent cut, very warm virgin wool; but $790 prior to taxes, not on sale (unlike other HL's), and MADE IN CHINA.

Don't know much about the history of Helmut Lang design, but I understand it isn't what it once was. In any case, just wondering what the community consensus is with respect to HL's present-day QUALITY and VALUE. To be perfectly honest, as compared to some of the other jackets at Holt Renfrew selling for $1000+, the Lang definitely seemed like a good value. Pure cotton lining, all virgin wool, and the style/cut is precisely the blend of sophisicated manliness that I've been looking for.

Worth $900? I realize the question is subjective, but tell me about its objective components.

http://www.harrods.com/HarrodsStore/...00000001655569
The guy in these pics is wearing one size too big.
 

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I would think you could get something nicer for that money, especially given the deep discounts everywhere, but if you really like, you really like it, you know?

I don't know if you have anyone in NYC you would trust to shop for you, but Helmut Lang is having a sample sale with tons of outerwear from now until friday at 261 W 36th Street (between 7th & 8th Ave) 2nd Floor.

Looks like outerwear is only $250.

 

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Yowzas. Well if there are any NYC folk here who either plan to or have attended the sale, I'd be grateful if they would PM me.
 

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Trying to be as objective as possible, I would say that by and large Helmut Lang is not worth paying full price. First of all, given the price point, one could easily buy far better clothing in terms of both design and construction. Second, most of their apparel is made in China. It seems somewhat galling to charge such exorbitant prices for clothing that was probably made by some thirteen year old girl in a sweatshop in Shenzhen making $ 0.13 an hour. Third, IMHO you're paying more for the name than you are for any exceptional design or high quality material. If I were you I would either wait until it goes on sale or try a different brand that actually makes high quality clothes for a decent price.
 

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I hope this doesn't seem too irrelevant but I have been hearing this term more than ever recently: price point. What's the difference between price and price point?
 

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Actually that's a very good question to ask. Obviously I don't need to explain what a price is. A price point is generally understood as an expression of prices whereby demand remains high. Say for example your typical Style Forum member is accustomed to paying $500 for a military jacket. What happens if prices are raised to $600. Of course demand would naturally fall. However a price point of $500 would mean that if you exceed that price then demand would fall in such a way that it would offset any revenue increase from the price increase. Basically pricing above a given price point has a disproportionate effect on demand. In this case my main meaning was what one expects to pay for a given item as the main thrust of the gentleman's question seems to be whether or not Helmut Lang's price point is valid. My basic argument is that it is not.

P.S. I'm not an economist so please feel free to tell me if I explained that correctly.
 

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While price point may have a real definition, I'm fairly sure most people just use the terms interchangeably.
 

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So... has anyone visited the sample sale?
 

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if you wanna talk high prices for made in china goods, look at phillip lim. though i must confess that i just had to have the double-breasted shawl collar coat from this season and ended up buying it. 40% off but still $925 after tax, and though i love it i do feel a bit guilty about paying that price for china-made clothng...
 

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I agree that there is an ethical problem involved in purchasing goods where the makers make so little, but I disagree that place of origin and quality of craftsmanship are necessarily related.

The HL jacket I like is one of the better articles of winter clothing I found at Holt Renfrew up until around the $2000 range.
 

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By and large you'd do better to scour ebay for HL pieces from 5 or 6 years ago, much better value back then... of course, you're not likely to find what you're looking for in short order. For 900-1k I'd personally be looking at Jil outerwear on discount (as everything is nowadays), I prefer most of that line to recent HL in terms of aesthetic anyway and the quality is superior. But tastes vary.
 

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"Price point" usually refers to a range around that particular price. It's kind of a tier system.
 

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Originally Posted by Brian SD
"Price point" usually refers to a range around that particular price. It's kind of a tier system.

+1. eg purple label is at a different price point from blue label, but the same price point as black label and black fleece
 

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That all makes sense. I do think it's used incorrectly quite a bit. Even a few years ago, I never heard it used to mean the price of an item, but now I hear it used that way all the time.
 

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