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Heavy weight suit instead of overcoat

yachtie

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Originally Posted by JayJay
I agree. If it's really cold, I'll put on my stocking cap along with the scarf and gloves. It's not very handsome, but it serves its purpose.


Even a fedora, cap or trilby makes a big difference.
 

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In my case, my overcoat is a 42L- just like my jacket size. I tried the 44 and it was just too much space. I do wear the suit jacket underneath it.

Originally Posted by sho'nuff
On a related-note, hope you dont mind, but when you purchase a formal overcoat or topcoat, do you have to estimate and get the size one above your suit size? Like this:
Suit size 42R -> get a 44R overcoat

Or

Do you stick with the same overcoat size as your suit because the coat already compensates for the fact you will be wearing it over your suit?


And
Ive seen people wear just the overcoat over a tie and shirt. Is this (traditionally) acceptable? (Like is there actually a separate overcoat for this) or is it just a casual thing people do these days?
Thanks
 

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Originally Posted by Manton
So how come when I do it, it is a sign of hopeless iGentry?
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We assume everything you do is a sign of hopeless iGentry.
 

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Originally Posted by ecdhunt
In my case, my overcoat is a 42L- just like my jacket size. I tried the 44 and it was just too much space. I do wear the suit jacket underneath it.

Agreed, generally your overcoat is the same size as your suit. Unfortunately, I had to find this out for myself as my father believed you should size up one.
 

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I believe the real estate rule applies: Location, Location, Location!

I live in the middle-atlantic area circa Washington, DC. I have and wear multiple overcoats. Wouldn't think of not having them in the wardrobe.
 

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Originally Posted by yachtie
As I've gotten more 16 oz+ suits made up I've skipped the overcoat down to say the low 30's. Getting a higher cut vest is a real help. As long as your office isn't heated to nuclear core temperature they work out fine indoors. Pretty surprising really.

16 Oz worsted doesn't run that warm, and I wear a three piece 16 Oz lounge 3/4 seasons in Sydney. 16 Oz flannel would run warmer but even then I would happily wear an overcoat on top of that in the local winter.

The current wisdom seems to be that 16 Oz worsteds run so hot that they unfailingly cause a thermonuclear meltdown but you are probably going to be disappointed when you find that it doesn't keep you anywhere near as warm as you are hoping.

In fact, I wouldn't even classify 16 Oz worsted as heavy weight cloth. This is what Francis Poulin had to say in 1952:

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14 Oz cloth is recommended for year round wear, and 12-13 Oz for women's wear. I would call 16 Oz medium weight cloth.
 

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Originally Posted by Sator
16 Oz worsted doesn't run that warm, and I wear a three piece 16 Oz lounge 3/4 seasons in Sydney. 16 Oz flannel would run warmer but even then I would happily wear an overcoat on top of that in the local winter.

The current wisdom seems to be that 16 Oz worsteds run so hot that they unfailingly cause a thermonuclear meltdown but you are probably going to be disappointed when you find that it doesn't keep you anywhere near as warm as you are hoping.


This has been my experience. "Heavy" worsteds run quite a bit cooler than their weights would suggest. 16 oz worsted really is a 3 season cloth around here. Heavier tweeds and flannels can run a good deal warmer and are better suited for outdoor wear w/o an overcoat but are still quite wearable in a reasonably heated office.
 

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Originally Posted by yachtie
Heavier tweeds and flannels can run a good deal warmer and are better suited for outdoor wear w/o an overcoat but are still quite wearable in a reasonably heated office.

My experience exactly - in subtropical Sydney weather.
 

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The problem is the difference between indoor and outdoor temperatures. During the recent cold spell in the UK there could be a difference of 20 Celsius degrees between indoors and outdoors. One needs to put something substantial on in order to bridge that gap. Overheated interiors are a menace to sensible dressing - while they prevail, a relatively light suit plus overcoat would seem best, but if interior temperatures can be lowered, a heavy suit, preferably three-piece, with scarf and gloves, would probably work.
 

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Originally Posted by williamson
Overheated interiors are a menace to sensible dressing - while they prevail, a relatively light suit plus overcoat would seem best, but if interior temperatures can be lowered, a heavy suit, preferably three-piece, with scarf and gloves, would probably work.

Agree!

Hopefully the increasing attention given to global warming issues will help aid the 'turn the d@mn thermostat down to a sensible temperature' movement.
 

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Originally Posted by Doc4
Hopefully the increasing attention given to global warming issues will help aid the 'turn the d@mn thermostat down to a sensible temperature' movement.

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Hopefully, the global financial crisis will also encourage organisations to look to turning down the thermostat as a means of saving money too. Anyone here in a position to speak out in an organisation should do so on the grounds of saving money and helping the environment etc.

It is high time we returned to wearing clothes as a means of keeping ourselves warm rather than relying on CO2 producing devices. That means wearing an extra layer of clothes, made of winter materials eg wool, cashmere. Having to strip down to your shirt because it is overbearingly hot when it is subzero outside is an absurd waste of energy and money. The only reason it is possible for modern man to wear cotton trousers (eg jeans) and t-shirt in winter is because of intense central heating.
 

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It is high time we returned to wearing clothes as a means of keeping ourselves warm...The only reason it is possible for modern man to wear cotton trousers (eg jeans) and t-shirt in winter is because of intense central heating.
Absolutely right!
The current superstition that comfortable clothing = minimal clothing also needs to be discarded.
 

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