Has clothing gotten too expensive?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Artisan Fan, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. grimslade

    grimslade Senior member

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    You have to bear in mind too that these forums raise one's awareness of both what is possible and how expensive the possible can get.

    Consider that you can get $5 dress shirts, if you want 'em.
     


  2. kitonbrioni

    kitonbrioni Senior member

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    One action maybe that been noted before of going the way of bespoke by having a now very expense garment you aready own copied by a local tailor.
     


  3. StevenRocks

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    Consider that you can get $5 dress shirts, if you want 'em.
    Leave Wal-Mart out of this [​IMG]
     


  4. Artisan Fan

    Artisan Fan Suitsupply-sider

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    There is no question that handmade clothes are out pacing the rate of inflation by a good bit in their pricing, but Steve is right in that the marketing of quality clothes has probably gotten better.

    One trend I notice is that some department store mass market brands and generally their private labels have really poor quality and its getting worse it seems.
     


  5. Chris "Italia"

    Chris "Italia" Senior member

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    I, too, don't believe that clothing is not getting expensive.

    If you want the good stuff, such as Brioni or Borrelli or Kiton, etc, you gotta pay for those good stuff.

    But if you don't, look elsewhere...
     


  6. Chris "Italia"

    Chris "Italia" Senior member

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    There is no question that handmade clothes are out pacing the rate of inflation by a good bit in their pricing, but Steve is right in that the marketing of quality clothes has probably gotten better.

    One trend I notice is that some department store mass market brands and generally their private labels have really poor quality and its getting worse it seems.



    Yes, I noticed that too, especially with Armani...

    Is it me? or that Armani seems to have fallen downhill?

    Correct me if I am wrong.
     


  7. CoryB

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    Yes, I noticed that too, especially with Armani... Is it me? or that Armani seems to have fallen downhill? Correct me if I am wrong.
    I think Armani is the ultimate success story for marketing. If asked, the average person would declare Armani to be the best suit maker in the world. The quality : price is horrible, but its marketing has been successful. I'm sure there was a time where Armani was actually high quality, but now they can simpy ride their cache. Ever notice that Vestimenta (maker of Armani Black Label, Armani's highest label) are about the same price as a Armani Collezione. That is the epitome of successful marketing.
     


  8. rnoldh

    rnoldh Senior member

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    Inflation is on the move, oil costs have driven up transportation and the dollar is weak at the moment. This is impacting the price of our favorite clothing imports. The makers will have to decide if they are so reliant on US customers and lower their prices if they can.

    I agree with everything you say. That brings up this question. Are U.S. clothing makers incresaing their prices less. Particularly the better ones like Oxxford and HF. And I suppose Samuelsohn should be included vs. the European imports. Someone posted that they had Samuelsohn MTM pants done as an alternative to Incotex pants. May I ask how much they were and how they compare in your opinion?

    If anyone knows about the price increases in U.S. made fine Menswear vs. the increase in fine imported Menswear please let us know.
     


  9. Artisan Fan

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    I agree. The quality isn't there and the styles are so 80s.
     


  10. topbroker

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    Also, part of the fun of this hobby is waiting around and hunting for the good deals. Getting EGs for $500, a Corneliani suit for $400, a T&A shirt for $75, stuff like that. If I could just go to Neimans and buy whatever I want at retail this hobby wouldn't be as much fun.

    I completely agree. The thrill of the chase is a paramount attraction, whether one is searching for affordable specimens of the genuine article, or acceptable knock-offs and second-tier garments.

    I well recall a magazine exercise in which Geoffrey Beene was sent out with a reporter to Lower East Side thrift shops and bazaars in search of women's style bargains, and came back in two hours with an outfit for a grand total of under $30 that, in his estimation, would have looked smashing on a runway model. Taste counts for more than money ultimately, although money certainly counts.

    That said, the premium one pays for certain brand names is beyond ridiculous. I feel a bit insulated from this effect, since no one in Northeast Wisconsin even knows those names. I can be a sartorial star here for a fraction of the cost one incurs elsewhere. [​IMG]
     


  11. Artisan Fan

    Artisan Fan Suitsupply-sider

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    The downside is you live in Wisconsin. [​IMG]
     


  12. topbroker

    topbroker Senior member

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    The downside is you live in Wisconsin. [​IMG]

    It's not, though, you see. This state, and my particular part of it, are under-rated and, worse than that, generally unknown (except for the presence of the Green Bay Packers in the smallest remaining major league market in American professional sports).

    But Appleton, Green Bay, Sheboygan, Manitowoc, Fond du Lac, and Oshkosh (not to mention Wausau and Stevens Point slightly to the west) rank year after year in national studies as among the safest, most livable, best-bang-for-your-buck, best-climate-for-entrepreneurs, top quality small cities in America. And we're working on getting that message out.

    We've got world-class golf in Sheboygan (Whistling Straights, site of the 1994 PGA Championship); the Experimental Aircraft Association Museum and Airventure in Oshkosh (Airventure is going on this very week, and during that week, Oshkosh is the busiest airport in the world); and Door County, our own bit of New England. We've got eight symphony orchestras, more than any similar region in the country. We've got a great workforce, great school systems, and marvelous recreational opportunities.

    I'm a big economic development booster. Don't get me started! [​IMG]
     


  13. gamelan

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    if you're talking about the $585 t-shirt (but it's embroidered with Swarovski crystals!!!) in today's LA Times magazine i would have to say a resounding YES!

    -Jeff
     


  14. tom2517

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    I think some brands are getting more expensive. I buy Hermes leather jacket and they are getting more expensive every year. Maybe it is due to the Euro-USD exchange rate but still, pretty much all Hermes leather jacket are over 5000 USD now.
     


  15. lakewolf

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    IThe thrill of the chase is a paramount attraction, whether one is searching for affordable specimens of the genuine article, or acceptable knock-offs and second-tier garments.

    That is exactly my point... I have the cash to blow but I prefer not.. for me it is better to search fo the excellent quality items at a low price...

    I live in Europe so I have here near lots of Italian garment and shoes to buy and when on sale even cheaper, let's say you can buy a period correct quality italian super 100's suit here for around $120 that you can wear to the office with no shame at all, and I can tell that its quality is superior to some I have seen in the US at 3 times the price.

    Or you can buy a high end no name Italian super 150's suit for around $350, and I had compared it against a $2000 Dolce & Gabanna and the quality of the $350 was clearly superior.
     


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