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Hardy Amies ties?

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Both - I have no idea who makes them and they're also kind of flimsy when compared to the Drakes ties.

Watch out for HA ties on ebay - I got both my Drakes ties for $10 a pop
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I just bought a few for the first time. The silk? Eh. Yes, flimsy is a good word. The wool and cashmere ones are tasteful, but I'm not so sure I'd buy them again.
 

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