I think more important than what you use is how you use it. I'm afraid to say I'm hair product retarded despite having tried ~15+ varities. All I want is the matte piecy slightly messy but not really look and I swear to god I must be retarded because it's never how I want it. I think my problem might be that I've never tried blow drying, it's a major mental hurdle to actually go out and buy a blow dryer though just to test things. My favorites that've accomplished more-or-less what I want with damp hair are-- Any applying tips are welcome because I'm aformentioned fucking hair retarded.