Hair Loss Prevention article

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  1. Woogie

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    is some cases hairloss isn't treatable. in many cases it is. I believe I am a sufferer of over producting of DHT which is cause the growth of unhealthy hair which very soon afterwards fall out.

    I am desperately seeking advice on which of these products is most effective. I have recently bought some Nanoguard from the nanogen website and some nizoral shampoo and am hoping for the best.

    Will post my findings
     


  2. West24

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    im pretty sure the only way to get it back properly and fully if its bad already is hair transplants. why dont you look at that?
     


  3. tiecollector

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    You're "convinced", yet there's absolutely no evidence of it. Since when has male pattern baldness ever been linked to any kind of ailment? Sorry to burst your bubble, but MPB is just unlucky genes. Some of the healthiest/fittest guys out there have MPB, and vice versa.
    Sure, if you say so. Actually there is quite a bit of evidence. Hairloss is actually very complicated and there is no one universal cause. Also, messing with your sex hormones to get your hair back is absolutely insane.
     


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    Sorry to hijack this thread but i have an important question if anyone can answer it that'll be great. Anyway, my question is: my hair has been falling out for the last 3 years. I am not receding in the temples. I do have hair in the two temple areas but the hairs grow no more than a few millimeters. Some do grow longer but very thin and not thick like before at all. So it looks like i'm balding in the two areas above the temple. So i'm wondering will my hair grow back because to me it doesn't seem like MPB. I posted the same question on some hair loss forum but none of the members can give an definitive reply. I hope i have some luck here.

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  5. tiecollector

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    Sorry to hijack this thread but i have an important question if anyone can answer it that'll be great. Anyway, my question is: my hair has been falling out for the last 3 years. I am not receding in the temples. I do have hair in the two temple areas but the hairs grow no more than a few millimeters. Some do grow longer but very thin and not thick like before at all. So it looks like i'm balding in the two areas above the temple. So i'm wondering will my hair grow back because to me it doesn't seem like MPB. I posted the same question on some hair loss forum but none of the members can give an definitive reply. I hope i have some luck here. Thanks
    Interesting first post in a forum dedicated to men's clothing perhaps you be better off taking pics and being diagnosed on a hairloss forum. It sounds to me like you have some sort of baldness and it won't grow back on its own. Hair doesn't actually fall out, it miniaturizes over time until it can't be seen with the human eye normally anymore. It sounds like the hair you do have is miniaturizing. Since you don't have a defined pattern, you may have what is known as diffuse thinning instead of Norwood pattern baldness.
     


  6. saremile

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    Interesting first post in a forum dedicated to men's clothing perhaps you be better off taking pics and being diagnosed on a hairloss forum. It sounds to me like you have some sort of baldness and it won't grow back on its own.

    Hair doesn't actually fall out, it miniaturizes over time until it can't be seen with the human eye normally anymore. It sounds like the hair you do have is miniaturizing. Since you don't have a defined pattern, you may have what is known as diffuse thinning instead of Norwood pattern baldness.


    I visited this forum in the past just to get some general tips on conservative business attire. Anyway, my hair does fall out with the roots attached. Is that normal? And they fall out in bunches. I don't know what my rate of regrowth is because i can't see it for myself. All i know is that it seems like i have bald spots due to my hair not growing any longer than a few millimeters and due to hair grows a few inches but very thin. I believe my hair fall out is due to stress and depression as 6 months after a traumatic event i started to see my these bald spots. What worries me is that my hair falls more on top than on the sides and back. So this leads me to believe that i have MPB. But when i think about it, i'm Chinese Asian with no medical history to speak of and i lose my hair at the age of 24? That's insane. Where do you see a perfectly healthy chinese asian male lose their hair at the age of 24? The more i think about it, the more i think my hair loss is due to stress and some sort of depression. So i'm wondering if anyone else out there have a similar problem where they do have hair but not growing any longer than a few millimeters. And if stress can cause you to have this sort of hair loss? I went to the doctor to have my testostrone checked. The guy said it came back within range. So that's not saying much. So i'm going to have my throid check to see if i have any problems there. Oh btw, my hair was very oily once. I don't know why it was that oily.
    If anyone can answer the above questions for me, that'll be great.

    Thanks
     


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    Sure, if you say so. Actually there is quite a bit of evidence. Hairloss is actually very complicated and there is no one universal cause. Also, messing with your sex hormones to get your hair back is absolutely insane.

    This is very, very misleading. Everyone out there: do your own research from reputable places. Hair loss can be caused by a wide variety of things, but in most cases, it's just plain ol' regular vanilla baldness, the kind that Propecia and Rogaine help retard or even fix. Do not get sucked in by hucksters, shysters, and con artists repping the latest holistic, naturalistic, dietary treatment. They're playing you like -> [​IMG]

    What bugs me is that you want to rep like Propecia or Rogaine is absolutely insane while you're taking fish oil and buying a lazer comb. You will look back at the laser comb purchase in 20 years and laugh at the obvious snake oil implications. Propecia + Rogaine are not perfect, and they do have some side effects which everyone should research thoroughly and consider, but they're really the only effective non-transplant treatments, and by a very large margin.

    That being said, people experiencing sudden hair loss: go see a doctor, you may have a serious problem.
     


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    This is very, very misleading. Everyone out there: do your own research from reputable places. Hair loss can be caused by a wide variety of things, but in most cases, it's just plain ol' regular vanilla baldness, the kind that Propecia and Rogaine help retard or even fix. Do not get sucked in by hucksters, shysters, and con artists repping the latest holistic, naturalistic, dietary treatment. They're playing you like -> [​IMG]

    What bugs me is that you want to rep like Propecia or Rogaine is absolutely insane while you're taking fish oil and buying a lazer comb. You will look back at the laser comb purchase in 20 years and laugh at the obvious snake oil implications. Propecia + Rogaine are not perfect, and they do have some side effects which everyone should research thoroughly and consider, but they're really the only effective non-transplant treatments, and by a very large margin.

    That being said, people experiencing sudden hair loss: go see a doctor, you may have a serious problem.



    Oh yes, because Merck and Pfizer are so reputable. Your dermatologist is a Clinique counter and drug pusher all rolled into one.

    It's true, there are many causes for hairloss and finding your cause is the key. Propecia and minoxidil did nothing for me except start to give me bitch tits and brain fog.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat and even if messing with your sex hormones is the only way to save your hair 100%, it is still way too dangerous.

    I research hairloss constantly and the same ole DHT-is-the-devil rhetoric gets old. Cut off your balls, your hair will still fall out after you've hit puberty. If you don't think diet can effect something like hairloss then you've been brainwashed by Rx. Hairloss, as well as things like eye and tooth conditions, is a litmus test to your overall health. Why is this so hard to believe?
     


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    I visited this forum in the past just to get some general tips on conservative business attire. Anyway, my hair does fall out with the roots attached. Is that normal? And they fall out in bunches. I don't know what my rate of regrowth is because i can't see it for myself. All i know is that it seems like i have bald spots due to my hair not growing any longer than a few millimeters and due to hair grows a few inches but very thin. I believe my hair fall out is due to stress and depression as 6 months after a traumatic event i started to see my these bald spots. What worries me is that my hair falls more on top than on the sides and back. So this leads me to believe that i have MPB. But when i think about it, i'm Chinese Asian with no medical history to speak of and i lose my hair at the age of 24? That's insane. Where do you see a perfectly healthy chinese asian male lose their hair at the age of 24? The more i think about it, the more i think my hair loss is due to stress and some sort of depression. So i'm wondering if anyone else out there have a similar problem where they do have hair but not growing any longer than a few millimeters. And if stress can cause you to have this sort of hair loss? I went to the doctor to have my testostrone checked. The guy said it came back within range. So that's not saying much. So i'm going to have my throid check to see if i have any problems there. Oh btw, my hair was very oily once. I don't know why it was that oily. If anyone can answer the above questions for me, that'll be great. Thanks
    Are you living in China? Chinese food is very poor and often contaminated. With globalization and mass production, food is heavily processed and often contains little of the nutrients you actually need. Just because something looks like a steak or an apple, doesn't mean it has everything it should in it. Hairloss has become more prevalent in Asia in recent times. Get your thyroid checked, this can cause hairloss. The oiliness used to happen to me too and is very common amongst hairloss sufferers. This is probably due to overall cellular inflammation, which includes the sebaceous glands. Balancing your omega3:6 ratios is a way to help the inflammation, it sure did with me. I've been reading up on mold and fungal models for diseases and they make a lot of sense. Inflammation could also be cause by yeasts that get out of control on the scalp. You can try mixing a topical with 50% water and 50% lithium chloride to kill these. Just mix it up and massage it into your head 10 minutes before a shower every day. Magnesium citrate and Vitamin D can also help. Disclaimer: Don't take some random dude's advice on the internet though. Decide for yourself what makes more sense. To me, taking a factory made pill that regulates one thing seems way too simplistic and I have not had any luck with pharmaceuticals thus far.
     


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    Are you living in China? Chinese food is very poor and often contaminated. With globalization and mass production, food is heavily processed and often contains little of the nutrients you actually need. Just because something looks like a steak or an apple, doesn't mean it has everything it should in it. Hairloss has become more prevalent in Asia in recent times. Get your thyroid checked, this can cause hairloss. The oiliness used to happen to me too and is very common amongst hairloss sufferers. This is probably due to overall cellular inflammation, which includes the sebaceous glands. Balancing your omega3:6 ratios is a way to help the inflammation, it sure did with me. I've been reading up on mold and fungal models for diseases and they make a lot of sense. Inflammation could also be cause by yeasts that get out of control on the scalp. You can try mixing a topical with 50% water and 50% lithium chloride to kill these. Just mix it up and massage it into your head 10 minutes before a shower every day. Magnesium citrate and Vitamin D can also help. Disclaimer: Don't take some random dude's advice on the internet though. Decide for yourself what makes more sense. To me, taking a factory made pill that regulates one thing seems way too simplistic and I have not had any luck with pharmaceuticals thus far.
    I'm pretty sure that magnesium citrate and Vitamin D and mold and fungus and omega 3 to omega 6 ratios and bad Panda Express are not causing my hair loss. I'm also 100% sure that Propecia and Rogaine work. Hey btw I got some great tonic that will cure your ailments.
     


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    I'm pretty sure that magnesium citrate and Vitamin D and mold and fungus and omega 3 to omega 6 ratios and bad Panda Express are not causing my hair loss.

    I'm also 100% sure that Propecia and Rogaine work.

    Hey btw I got some great tonic that will cure your ailments.


    Well, best of luck to you. If you are happy using that, then more power to you. They did not work for me or anyone I know personally. The side effects and damage to your body that these drugs cause is enough to make me rather go bald.
     


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    This is very, very misleading. Everyone out there: do your own research from reputable places. Hair loss can be caused by a wide variety of things, but in most cases, it's just plain ol' regular vanilla baldness, the kind that Propecia and Rogaine help retard or even fix. Do not get sucked in by hucksters, shysters, and con artists repping the latest holistic, naturalistic, dietary treatment. They're playing you like -> [​IMG]

    What bugs me is that you want to rep like Propecia or Rogaine is absolutely insane while you're taking fish oil and buying a lazer comb. You will look back at the laser comb purchase in 20 years and laugh at the obvious snake oil implications. Propecia + Rogaine are not perfect, and they do have some side effects which everyone should research thoroughly and consider, but they're really the only effective non-transplant treatments, and by a very large margin.

    That being said, people experiencing sudden hair loss: go see a doctor, you may have a serious problem.


    I largely agree with everything you are saying. While diet/supplements may be of some help, the majority of us with androgenetic alopecia (male pattern baldness) are being effected by DHT. I don't think that means we make more of it, but rather that we are genetically programed to respond to it in a certain way (hair loss). If castrated, it fact, the hair loss stops. This has been demonstrated in cases of castration of criminals and the mentally handicapped (there was a time when this was all too common). Most of us would not be willing to pay that price. I have been taking 1/4 of a Proscar (now using 1/4 of a generic finasteride 5mg) since before there was an approved formulation for MPB. There is no question that my hair loss was arrested and partially reversed. I have never noticed the ANY side effects at all. I know some people do. Some people, however, also have adverse effects from placebos; you can look at the finasteride 1mg studies and see that; sexual disfunction was almost the same in the active arm and placebo arm. If you take finasteride and have adverse effects, STOP taking it; it doesn't have a particularly long half-life and any drug related effects will quickly disappear. I only wish I could have started on finateride much earlier and will suggest it to my nephew as soon as he starts experiencing hair loss. I now also take plenty of fish oil and flax seed oil; it may help a bit too, but it isn't as noticeable to me quite honestly. I think that there are numerous benefits to taking fish oil including cardiovascular health. I also used to get flaking in the eyebrow area and fish oil did help with that. I also use Nizoral 2% shampoo on MWF. I don't make up any lithium/DMSO because I don't think there is evidence that it works and DMSO smells horrible. I always know when someone it the gym is using it, it stinks the whole place up. I also don't use homeopathic remedies, Bach flower remedies, crystals, magnets or go to faith healers, because I see these things as faith based as opposed to science based. To each his own.....but I'll end up with more hair on my head!
     


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    If castrated, it fact, the hair loss stops. This has been demonstrated in cases of castration of criminals and the mentally handicapped (there was a time when this was all too common).
    This is not true in all cases, you would have to be castrated before puberty. Once DHT binds with androgen receptors in the hair follicle, the immune system then starts attacking the hair follicle for some reason. The theory is that if you eat poorly and your system is out of whack, your immune system will produce inflammatory things, that attack things they shouldn't. If you extract that hair and place it on an immunodeficient mouse, the hair was shown to start growing again. I'm continuing the search for regrowth. You guys don't even want to know the theories I'm trying out right now.
     


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    Are you living in China? Chinese food is very poor and often contaminated. With globalization and mass production, food is heavily processed and often contains little of the nutrients you actually need. Just because something looks like a steak or an apple, doesn't mean it has everything it should in it. Hairloss has become more prevalent in Asia in recent times.

    Get your thyroid checked, this can cause hairloss. The oiliness used to happen to me too and is very common amongst hairloss sufferers. This is probably due to overall cellular inflammation, which includes the sebaceous glands. Balancing your omega3:6 ratios is a way to help the inflammation, it sure did with me.

    I've been reading up on mold and fungal models for diseases and they make a lot of sense. Inflammation could also be cause by yeasts that get out of control on the scalp.
    You can try mixing a topical with 50% water and 50% lithium chloride to kill these. Just mix it up and massage it into your head 10 minutes before a shower every day.

    Magnesium citrate and Vitamin D can also help.

    Disclaimer: Don't take some random dude's advice on the internet though. Decide for yourself what makes more sense. To me, taking a factory made pill that regulates one thing seems way too simplistic and I have not had any luck with pharmaceuticals thus far.



    Yes, i was in China for about 5 months. I don't have the exact date, but i guess after about 2 months in China, my hair started to oil up pretty easily. I wash my hair in the morning (8 am) and it's oily around noon. Perhaps it's the weather because it was hot and humid. I blamed it on the weather initially. Now looking back, i think i was having more stress as well. But during the last 2 months my hair fell out really bad. I wash my hair in a small bucket and literally i see hundreds of hair. I'm surprized i still have hair about i lost so much. My biggest concern is that perhaps my hair won't grow back after years of neglecting treatment. And i'm also concern about those hair that won't grow more than a few millimeters long. I'm wondering why aren't they growing more than a few millimeters or centimeters? Is there a reason for it? I believe there is a reason for everything. And i believe there is a reason why it won't grow longer. And it's not MPB because my hair's been like this for 3 years.

    I'll try your topical solution. Thanks for the suggestion. Any other things i should do or try?
     


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    This is not true in all cases, you would have to be castrated before puberty. Once DHT binds with androgen receptors in the hair follicle, the immune system then starts attacking the hair follicle for some reason. The theory is that if you eat poorly and your system is out of whack, your immune system will produce inflammatory things, that attack things they shouldn't. If you extract that hair and place it on an immunodeficient mouse, the hair was shown to start growing again. I'm continuing the search for regrowth. You guys don't even want to know the theories I'm trying out right now.
    There is no doubt in the role of DHT with androgenetic allopecia. Hair loss is arrested after castration (even if done well after puberty), but not necessarily reversed; this is similar to what is seen with finasteride. MOST men (I didn't say all) on finasteride have the progression of hair loss arrested. I am one of those "MOST" men. I will admit that I don't know anything about the mouse study you are referring to. Obviously an immunocompetent mouse can not receive a xenograft from a human without immediately rejecting it. I don't know what other variables were involved such as gender and hormone status of mouse (mice?), drugs used to modify the immune system or mouse strain used (lacked immune system?). Unfortunately immunosuppression does not result in hair regrowth in humans with MPB. I work in a hospital that does many solid organ transplants and immunosuppression is a necessity for these organ grafts to survive. Sudden (or gradual) regrowth of scalp hair is not a "side-effect" of this therapy. While cyclosporine (drug used to suppress immune system) can cause hirsutism, no one would confuse the result with reversal of MPB. Immunosuppression has been found to be effective in reversing alopecia universalis; most would not consider such treatment justifiable for a cosmetic result. I have no doubt that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Other mechanisms than 5 alpha reductase inhibition WILL BE FOUND. There may be ways of tuning off the gene(s) responsible for sensitivity to DHT or selectively blocking DHT receptors in the scalp. To be honest, this area of research is not one of my main interest; I don't really keep up with it on a regular basis. The idea that MPB is a disease or suggests some dietary deficit is incorrect. Just because modern man in western countries don't fancy it, doesn't make it abnormal. There may well be an evolutionary benefit to balding. When boys/men get older, they grow facial hair and loose hair on their heads; both of these things happen, to some degree, in most men. This may tell women that these guys are established and can care of them and their children (positive thing). Just because we modern western guys shave our faces clean like preadolescent boys and want more hair on our heads (myself included!) doesn't make it normal.
     


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